Matt Yglesias

Apr 1st, 2009 at 10:42 am

So Erick Erickson Says He Wants a Revolution

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Erick Erickson is mad as hell and asks “at what point do people revolt?”

At what point do the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point do they get off the couch, march down to their state legislator’s house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?

At some point soon, it will happen. It’ll be over an innocuous issue. But the rage is building. It’s not a partisan issue. [...] Were I in Washington State, I’d be cleaning my gun right about now waiting to protect my property from the coming riots or the government apparatchiks coming to enforce nonsensical legislation.

At issue here is . . . an environmental regulation relating to dishwasher detergent.

I think it’s safe to say that we’re not going to see violence in the streets over this one. I see three likely possibilities. One is that people moan and get over it. Another is that America’s entrepreneurial business sector develops a detergent that does a better job of cleaning dishes while complying with this regulation, and then this kind of rule spreads rapidly. A third is that there’s a backlash and the rule is repealed. Riots seem unlikely.

But recall that it used to be considered beyond-the-pale for liberal bloggers to sometimes use naughty words. You see, though, that the minute conservatives lose power they go back to 1990s-style incitements to violence.






98 Responses to “So Erick Erickson Says He Wants a Revolution”

  1. Scott Lemieux Says:

    Or, who knows, some wingers might even start rinsing their dishes first…

  2. Matt Says:

    The revolution will not be rinse cycled.

  3. FlipYrWhig Says:

    They’ll get Erick’s dish soap when they pry it from his cold, dead, pruny hands!

  4. pseudonymous in nc Says:

    Erickkk uses Dixie plates for every meal and throws them away in the regular trash, like a good Republican.

  5. Mnemosyne Says:

    Raise your hand if you think Erickson has any idea what kind of dish detergent they use in his household.

  6. daveNYC Says:

    So he wants a return to federalism, but the law he’s complaining about is a state law. Righto.

  7. Irregardless Says:

    I thought the people would be better off if everything was left to the STATES not the Federal Goverment.

    Confused cat is confused.

  8. Ted Says:

    From a spectator’s point of view, this promises to be a big improvement on the “tea party.” Suds! Sprinklers! Slippery wingnuts!

  9. TheOtherWA Says:

    Similar legislation is being considered in Oregon. One of the local stations talked to people in stores buying detergent, and no one really minded. If it’s good for the environment, they’ll deal with it. Come on, how hard is it to rinse plates before putting them in the dishwasher?

  10. r€nato Says:

    You’ll take away my bag of Cheetos and can of Mountain Dew when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

    /wingnut blogger

  11. Dick Gozinya Says:

    Erickson folds the Cheetos bag top over twice and then puts his bag clip on it so they are nice and fresh for his next meal. No need to was any dishes;problem solved.

  12. r€nato Says:

    “MOM! I’M GOING OUTSIDE TO START A REVOLUTION AGAINST THE TYRANNICAL OBAMMUNIST GOVERNMENT!”

    “OK honey, just make sure you’re back in time for dinner! We’re making your favorite, Frito casserole!”

  13. HKK Says:

    This reminds me of the great 1.5 gallon toilet flushing backlash of the 1990’s. American’s dumps were too big for 1.5 gallons! We have to go to Canada to get toilets! Luckily, through amazing American engineering my poop goes down with 1 flush every time.

    These guys are desperate and pathethic. They don’t understand how to focus on a few core issues to make progress. Instead they lash out at everything (even stupid shit like this).

  14. Molly Says:

    We’ve had a very similar “no phosphates in dish detergent” law in Chicago for a number of years now (not quite as strict) but there has been literally zero change in the stock of local stores.

  15. Tyro Says:

    how hard is it to rinse plates before putting them in the dishwasher?

    Not that hard, but it sort of defeats the purpose of purchasing a dishwasher, as opposed to an autoclave.

  16. Ekim Says:

    Actually, it’s not even a state law, it’s a Spokane County one. Now when people drive to Idaho for cheap(er) cigarettes they can buy detergent too.

  17. Armchair Warrior Pvt. 1st Class Says:

    Were I in Washington State, I’d be cleaning my gun right about now waiting to protect my property…

    I don’t know, it sounds like Erick Erickson is already cleaning his gun.

    And by “cleaning his gun” I mean masturbating.
    /sarcasm

  18. tomj Says:

    I’m looking out upon a small chunk of Washington State, the cherry trees are about to explode into pink, but otherwise everything appears normal.

  19. steve duncan Says:

    No doubt many with loose hinges are looking for reasons to shoot a few people. They’ve been limited to deer and squirrels for far too long and hunger for some human targets. A few more evenings with Jim Beam and Glenn Beck and they’ll don the camo and go a’huntin……………..

  20. wasabi gasp Says:

    For Erickson, it is phosphates in dish detergent. For Erickson’s parents, it was lead in house paint.

  21. Mooser Says:

    You don’t pre-wash your dishes before you put them in the dishwasher? I never knew that. I’m a man who has lived past his epoch. I though plates had to be pre-washed.

  22. Connor Says:

    The idea of that chubby dweeb beating anyone to a pulp is, frankly, hilarious. The guy looks like a Dell employee on donuts. Can’t we just state the obvious? People like Michael Goldfarb, Ramesh Ponnuru, and Eric Erickson spout this crap because they are, in reality, complete dorks trying to empower themselves through tough guy rhetoric. They’re like the equipment managers of your high school football team, trying to cozy up (rub up?) to juvenile machismo.

  23. AB in Berlin Says:

    I have a feeling this guy would be no less incensed if Vermont passed a ban on cyanide in baby food. But historically, people have overwhelmingly supported regulation of products that were considered unsafe or unsound, even when the consensus wasn’t backed up with nearly as much evidence as there is on the environmental impact of aqueous phosphates.

    If anyone out there is genuinely considering anarchy over dishwasher detergent, be aware: granular salt is much cheaper than ammo, and it helps the non-phosphate detergent work better.

  24. g Says:

    There was a ban on phosphates in laundry detergent in Suffolk County (Long Island, NY) back in the 1970’s, when I was growing up there, due to groundwater contamination issues. There was a big hue and cry. The Earth kept circling the sun, and people in Suffolk County continued to wear clean clothes most of the time, just like everywhere else. I wonder if anyone even remembers the controversy any more.

  25. citizen (world) Says:

    You know, I live in Spokane county where the phosphate restrictions have already gone into effect. It was inconvenient for about 3 months as we searched around for a non-phosphate dishwashing detergent that actually worked. But, you know, the market rose up quickly and now we have a bunch of very good alternatives, all about the same price, from small and large manufacturers. So, small inconvenience goes away and things are pretty much back to normal for the consumer. Meanwhile, the Spokane River gets cleaner. This is really just an overblown controversy. The rest of the state will have no painful transition like we had in Spokane County because consumers, and manufacturers, have been given plent of time to roll out alternatives. I think you folks in the rest of the country will start noticing phosphate free dishwashing crystals on your grocery shelves real soon, followed by a phase out of the environmentally harmful phosphate based products. It’s no big deal.

  26. spokeytown Says:

    So yeah, there’s this law in Spokane County that bans the sale of dish detergent with phosphates because it gets into the water and messes up the lakes. Apparently half of Spokane is in a panic and driving to Idaho to buy detergent, and half of THEM are convinced they’re illegal smugglers or something.

    Seriously, what the fuck? I bought some of that phosphate-free stuff a few months back because it was on sale–I didn’t even know it was phosphate-free until I looked at the label last night. It gets my dishes just as clean as anything else.

    I love Spokane but whenever it gets in the news it’s always for the wrong reasons (comical closeted republican mayors, serial killers, etc.)

  27. Nat Says:

    Funny. An acquaintance developed such a detergent years ago and it was rejected by all the major manufacturers. He never could get a distribution deal. Big business is stupid until it is bullied into getting smarter. I wonder if Andrew still has some samples around?

  28. DJ Says:

    In some ways, its impressive to watch the wingnuts take care of the ol’ machine, constantly tweaking to keep it running smoothly even when there’s no real target. Send out a few trial balloons, start up the old “revolution” and “distrust government” meme, practice on some minor target.

  29. Rich Says:

    The county passes an ordinance banning phosphates, so you beat your state legislator to a pulp? That doesn’t even make sense. It’s like shooting your city councilman because you oppose the war in Iraq. What a douche. What a stupid, stupid douche.

  30. Tyro Says:

    What Erick neglects to say is that the American people are too stupid to ever develop an alternative that does not invoolve phosphates. Look, the fact is that if God wanted us to drive cars that required unleaded fuel, he wouldn’t have made gasoline with lead.

  31. jerry 101 Says:

    phosphates?

    seriously?

    at what point does this just turn into self-mockery?

    at what point does these freakshows become parodies of themselves?

    Methinks we have reached that point. They are fighting mad over…phosphates. In dishwasher detergent.

    They want a revolution to ensure that Colgate-Palmolive can continue to put phosphates in it’s detergent. Because what is poor C-P’s alternative? What is the horror that will be inflicted on this righteous pillar of the community?
    They will have to sell a dish detergent without phosphates. ZOMG! Something they already make!! They will have to sell a product that they already market!!!

  32. reverter Says:

    “Erickson folds the Cheetos bag top over twice and then puts his bag clip on it so they are nice and fresh for his next meal.”

    You mean he doesn’t finish the whole bag (19-oz jumbo size) at each sitting?

  33. andy Says:

    that’s why you have dogs – for the pre-wash..

  34. James Robertson Says:

    On the other hand, the fact that so many people are going out of their way to buy the cleaner that works might tell you something. What’s happened here is less about environmental regulations, and more about outsourcing water regulations from the water treatment plants to individuals. At best, this is a pretty inefficient way to go about it

  35. David B. Says:

    How’s EE supposed to clean his gun if the government takes away the phosphates in detergent?

    /knows nothing about firearms or detergent.

  36. rea Says:

    Were I in Washington State, I’d be cleaning my gun right about now

    Quick, run the gun through the dishwasher before soap with phosphates is outlawed!

  37. guyx Says:

    On the other hand, the fact that so many people are going out of their way to buy the cleaner that works might tell you something.

    Indeed. It might tell you that many people are irrational and reactionary, and have a remarkable capacity to get worked up over trivial crap. Remember the New Coke debacle?

  38. nanorich Says:

    Is this an April Fool thingie?

    Not even Erick is that bloody stupid.

  39. S. P. Gass Says:

    We tried Seventh Generation dishwasher soap awhile back and found it not to work very well so we went back to regular dishwasher detergent.

    Additional Info:
    1. We are on well water.
    2. We do pre-rinse dishes.
    3. We do not expect to become violent even if Cascade were to be banned.

  40. joe from Lowell Says:

    Can some smart person answer me a question about this:

    I live a city with public sewerage. Everything goes to the treatment plant. Are phosphates a problem in this situation?

  41. Jack "The Red" Ripper Says:

    I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious dishwasher phosphates.

  42. ny nick Says:

    Wait, he cleans his gun in the dishwasher? Not sure that’s going to work.

  43. Ottovbvs Says:

    I’m always sad Mr Erickson isn’t more visible. He’s so totally loony and more than deserves a place in the pantheon of Republican fruit cakes. Can’t we get Roop to give him his own show on Fox right after Beck. The more air time these buffoons get the more they reinforce the fundamental clownishness of the Republican brand. The right wing mob get their adrenalin going and the rest of the country rolls its eyes.

  44. Ted Says:

    I think FlipYrWhig at #4 crafted a work of art that is not for today, but for all time:

    They’ll get Erick’s dish soap when they pry it from his cold, dead, pruny hands!

  45. Northern Observer Says:

    well he has people with minds that hate, so eric is ready to go, but over phosphate free?
    how the hell does this nincompoop think product ‘improvement’ happens over time … people just do it out of the goodness of their heart? Cause let me tell you clean food processing costs money, lead testing costs money, electrical standards for appliances ,it all costs money. Friggen red state fairy tale fantasist

  46. Megan Says:

    I don’t remember where I read the lamentation that you would think these people would have more faith in the market. If you change the regulation to exclude an ingredient, surely The Magic of the Market and Entrepenurial Ingenuity will create new products to fill the void within a short time. Why doesn’t Eric believe in The Market?

  47. Sam Kington Says:

    I particularly like the way the Red State commenters cite the film “Falling Down” approvingly, missing the point that D-Fens is the bad guy.

  48. tomemos Says:

    Sam: I dunno, I think that is a genuinely fascistic movie.

  49. John I Says:

    andy Says:
    April 1st, 2009 at 12:08 pm
    that’s why you have dogs – for the pre-wash..

    Yeah we used to let the dogs lick the plates before we loaded the dishwasher. Now we just let them lick the plates and put the plates away. We save a lot of water. You are welcome to dinner anytime.

  50. feckless Says:

    The hippies of Washington State will beat Mr. Erickson’s ass bloody and then give him and his “gun” to the proper authorities.

    We know how to handle idiots who show up to the drum circle with a gun.

    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/364526_shooting25.html

    Come on out E squared, we will give you similar treatment.

    There has already been one unitarian church massacre, how many more does this unamerican asshole desire?

  51. Antoni Jaume Says:

    “The county passes an ordinance banning phosphates, so you beat your state legislator to a pulp? That doesn’t even make sense. It’s like shooting your city councilman because you oppose the war in Iraq. What a douche. What a stupid, stupid douche.”

    Well, the USA went to war against Iraq when attacked by Saudi arabs.

  52. Fredrick Schwartz Says:

    I can see al the Tea Party nit wits now on April 15 carrying their empty jugs of Cascade and Electrasol on sticks declaring it “Freedom Soap!” Oh the Humanity!

  53. Daniel Says:

    As a Washington state resident, this is a total non-issue. If the conservative republicans outside the northwest bothered to read half of the regulations that Washington and Oregon happily live with they’d fall over from a massive heart attack.

    Of course if they read the history of the northwest and saw the massive clear cut timber and environmental disasters that plagued the area 75-100 years ago, they might actually realize how far we’ve come and how much most residents treasure the natural beauty that surrounds us.

    We have as many problems with sprawl and pollution as anyone else but at least we’re TRYING to control it.

  54. skippy Says:

    from a spectator’s point of view, this promises to be a big improvement on the “tea party.” suds! sprinklers! slippery wingnuts!

    i’d pay a dollar to see pam atlas in that protest!

  55. Michael Murphy Says:

    I linked here from Real Clear Politics. Is “thinkprogress” a high school newpaper? The comments are awfully immature. Are you, like, down with all new rules in your school?

  56. pseudonymous in nc Says:

    Shorter James “White Flight” Robertson: don’t harsh my exurban fantasy buzz, dude!

  57. jethro Says:

    from the comments sections:

    During the Clinton years…

    ddstrain Tuesday, March 31st at 7:51PM EDT (link)

    which were not quite as radical over 8 years as we’ve seen in the past 60 days, we did see group of people (albeit a fringe element) reach the tipping point. Some acted when backed into a corner, some went on the offensive.

    Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, David Koresh, Randy Weaver, Kevin Harris, maybe others I don’t remember.

    is that the same Randy Weaver of the ruby ridge incident in august 1992? i guess he could see clinton was going to win a few months later and felt “backed into a corner.”

    also, they forgot to mention right wing hero Eric Rudolph.

  58. nikto Says:

    Red-Staters desperately need to be tortured.

    Psychologically, they’re beggin’ for it!

  59. Matt C. Says:

    I really hope that Erick Erickson’s post at Red State was intended as some sort of sarcastic joke, but I somehow doubt it. He really needs to take the time to research the issues (perhaps go to Google.com and type in “phosphates water quality”) and speak intelligently about them. I know it’s hard, but as adults, we should be able to have nuianced opinions on public policy questions. The knee-jerk reaction of taking up arms because The Government doesn’t want us to use Cascade sounds like something an 8-year-old would propose.

    It’s like Michele Bachmann complaining about the upcoming elimination of incandescent light bulbs. Why is Michele and her ilk intent on keeping the United States dependent on 1870’s technology? Look, I’m no big environmentalist, but isn’t it fair to say that we are stewards of our land and water? And I’m not making a rhetorical question here. If one doesn’t think government has a role to play in protection of the environment, I can respect that opinion, but one better be able to offer up another practical alternative.

    If one is a fiscal conservative and worried about increasing taxes and billions of wasted taxpayer dollars, then I simply cannot see how one can be against such common sense measures. Building dozens of new power plants to support incandescent lighting technology, or dozens of new water treatment facilities to support toilets with the same flow rate as Niagara Falls, costs serious money. And why do I have to suffer with higher utility bills and taxes and a dirtier environment just because someone else wants squeaky-clean plates? I’m sorry, but the ideals of freedom and individual liberty are not about blind selfishness. They weren’t in 1776 and they aren’t today.

  60. daveNYC Says:

    If one doesn’t think government has a role to play in protection of the environment, I can respect that opinion, but one better be able to offer up another practical alternative.

    The Rapture is coming!

  61. Joe Blow Says:

    People People…

    DO NOT wash your plates before you wash them in the dishwasher.

    Scrap off food scraps. If greasy wipe with paper towel and throw in trash. If you left them out over night and they have dry crusty crap on them, er yea you can loosen that up.

    but generally, dump and load baby! dump and load…

    (saves water, energy and time)

  62. Luke Says:

    One freakin troll?!?

    Thank you, James Robertson. Thank you for being so completely wrong. You’re the only troll I like from here on out.

    I’m calling you out; Al, Matt Young, Mixner: how is this unworthy of insincere defense, but all your other bullshit is unassailable?

    Matt, your trolls are pussies.

  63. Nominal Chtulu Says:

    “So Erick Erickson says…”

    I thought he was dead.

  64. Matt W Says:

    S P Gass — I vaguely remember that Seventh Generation dish detergent didn’t work, but I use Ecover in the dishwasher and it works to my standards (warning: my standards may be lower than yours).

    Also, wasabi gasp won the thread at #22.

  65. Thlayli Says:

    #26:

    Hell yeah, I remember.

    My dad worked in Nassau (the next county over). At Mom’s instruction, he would buy detergent there and then SMUGGLE THE CONTRABAND ACROSS THE COUNTY LINE!!!1!

    (OK, so it wasn’t that dramatic….)

  66. Matt W Says:

    Thlayli/26: According to my sources, laundry detergents have been phosphate-free since the early 90s. Also, in re S P Gass, phosphate-free dish detergent works worse if you have hard water; I’m not sure how hard my water is.

  67. Andy Olsen Says:

    This is just a more bizarre form of the stock conservative answer to any attempt to address environmental problems. Deny, claim it will be too expensive and can’t possibly be solved.

    Then, after the legislation is passed, the private sector finds solutions and all the hyped outcomes fail to materialize. Corporate media ignores this track record.

    Rinse and repeat!

  68. S.P. Gass Says:

    Matt W: I can’t remember the ppm off the top of my head, but I do know that our water wasn’t very hard when tested. Thanks for the Ecover suggestion.

    Joe Blow: I always scrape scraps into the garbage; we don’t have a garbage disposal. I’ve heard there’s no need to pre-wash dishes before loading modern dishwashers, but it is a surprisingly difficult habit to break.

  69. Mike Says:

    I’ve used Costco’s “green” detergent for a while. I never noticed a difference. http://www.costcoconnection.com/connection/200808/?pg=46

    Maybe that might be easier than killing government workers.

  70. oh really Says:

    Is this an April Fool thingie?

    Not even Erick is that bloody stupid.

    Apparently, you don’t know EE very well. This is only a tiny example of how profoundly stupid that Georgia fascist is.

  71. Pug Says:

    Anybody know where I can see a picture of this guy who is going to beat some local official to a bloody pulp? He must be awfully “manly” to make threats like that.

    Keyboard Commandos are always good for a quick chuckle.

  72. Dawg Says:

    Gotta love how easy it is to get the left wing up in arms. Sarcasm people …. it was sarcasm amd ratings. when are ya’ll gonna learn they dont care what anybody but their audience thinks. Life so was much better when we sat on the front porch and talked to our neighbors instead of insulting each other online.

  73. Byrk Says:

    He really needs to take the time to research the issues

    That’s been the issue with Republican talking points for quite a while. Remember that whole money for fruit fly research outrage? Then it turns out that the research was to prevent the American olive oil industry from having the same problems as Europe is having with fruit flies. You know, a multi-billion dollar industry? Regardless of that, fruit fly research has been the basis for a variety of major genetic discoveries. So with a little bit of science knowledge, you shouldn’t think that the idea of fruit fly research is strange anyways.

  74. zenpig Says:

    This is the full title of his post

    At What Point Do People Revolt?
    At some point, one more piece of straw does break the camel’s back, even if that piece is, in and of itself, insignificant

    What part of “insignificant” do you people not get? Matthew spewing that Erickson wants a revolution over dish soap and his commenters here eating that up as some winger mental deficiency is funnier than crap. It’s ok to use a bit of critical thought, sheeple….get out and play a bit.

  75. william knoydart Says:

    I just stumbled across this board and I have one comment to make.

    Seeing as how the fellow in question is from south of the Mason Dixon Line ya’ll left out the other major food groups that comprise a healthy southern diet: moonpies, rc cola and a cheek full of redman.

  76. gtmule Says:

    “The county passes an ordinance banning phosphates, so you beat your state legislator to a pulp? That doesn’t even make sense. It’s like shooting your city councilman because you oppose the war in Iraq. What a douche. What a stupid, stupid douche.”

    Hey…..my City Councilman actually IS Erik Erickson….yes, that Erik Erickson……and I DO oppose the war……fuck it, I’ll just wash some dishes with this extra-phosphate detergent…..perhaps he’ll go swimming in the Ocmulgee River at some point…..

  77. Richard Bottoms Says:

    Unfortunately that article you linked to, the one that I wrote back in 1995, is still relevant. With Right Wing politicians egging the loons on, I’m afraid it’s only a matter of time before the next Tim McVeigh pops up.

    Liddy’s Lethal Advice

  78. SplendidOne Says:

    Boy, those guys spend a lot of time, ahem, “cleaning their guns.” Wearing PJs probably makes that easier.

  79. farstriker Says:

    At what point does a blogger tell other bloggers to go to hell? At what point does he laboriously sit up in bed, plump the pillows behind him, and flame out a message that will symbolically beat the fool bloggers to a bloody pulp for being idiots?

    All these words, words, words. Too many so-called ideas! Let me be! Phosphates–what exactly are they and where do they come from? You don’t know, I’ll bet–you’ve just swallowed the party line hook, line, and sinker. Regulation is evil–is that hard to understand? Freedom is not free!

    Oh yes, I promise you, at some point it will happen. It might be over something innocuous, or something big and infuriating like this post and the endless comments about so-called phosphates and the fiction of pollution that will enslave us if we do not fight back. Whatever it is, it’ll make me snap, snap, snap.

    Right now I sit cleaning my keyboard, readying myself for the flame wars that will come–yes, they will come. You have been warned, with your so-called phosphates and your smug word jokes.

    Where are my Cheetohs? Dammit, I crushed them when I sat up . . . Damn you all.

  80. Andrea Knutson Says:

    I’m cool on low phosphate but I absolutely hate low water showers.
    I do not think life is worth living without having high-power hot woter pound my shoulders.

    But I had thought about suicide or secretly breaking the shower. I had not thought about revolution. That is the problem with us peace-loving wimpy liberals.

  81. D M Herzer Says:

    Indiana passed this law in the 70s. Of course the John Birchers and ilk went bananas. Can’t believe we beat Washington on this issue by 30 years. Watching soap suds along our streams and river banks moved even the staunchest GOP legislature and governor.

  82. Aceman Says:

    Funny, my hig-end pots and pans actually say “use low or no-phosphate detergent if cleaned via automatic dishwasher”…and I havent had any problems with things getting clean…what’s the issue again?

  83. Lee451 Says:

    I thought that white people did not riot (here in the US). The people that riot are disproportionately known to vote Democrat (See: Watts; Rodney King Riots; The Chicago Convention of 1968; any of the riots of the late 1960’s).

    Thus your smugness is shot down. Keep on feeling superior though. It is about the only thing you have going for you.

  84. hai Says:

    wat.

  85. Theguyflashinghislightsbehindyou Says:

    Those of us that live in Spokane, WA go into Idaho to buy the sweet sweet dish washing detergent. Down side being we have to get through the worst drivers in the world. Idaho drivers.

  86. William Says:

    Give me a break, “1990’s style calls for violence?” Like the Democrats didn’t (or at least their supporters, I should say, in the media and elsewhere) call for violence against the Bush Administration since before it took office? Pot, meet Kettle…

  87. mutt Says:

    actually, Liddys advice was quite sound. If you look at the number of people murdered in cold blood in local police, DEA, and ATF raids- wrong addresses, completely bogus warrants, and the like- and ATF was leading the pack in these killings at the time- Liddy pointed out they wear body armor, and if you are minding your own business, in your own home, you are NOT obligated to be gunned down. Period. So- aim for the head. thats the drill in my house, should the State drop by with intent to murder.
    Really, folks, thats all he as talking about. Not that he isnt a serious scumbag….its just that, like a broken clock, he is occaisionally right.
    I never understood the horror his comment provoked amongst “progressives”…..or why they are so tolerant of what are, in reality, random Gvt death squads.
    But back to the wingnut in question: these guys live in hermetically sealed communities. They read only what flatters thier ignorance & stokes their numerous predjudices. In that, they are no different than Progdom, only a lot more dangerous when they snap.
    This has been an entertaining visit……..

  88. excalibur Says:

    I see that as working oneself up into an adrenaline rush to compensate for lack of defensible positions on virtually any subject. The part of it that works is that his readers need the fix, so will receive it in the same way and with some gratitude for validating their own modus operandi.

    I think that it’s no so much that he is stupid as that being in denial about so many things forces him to walk this very narrow path – and the quicker he walks it, the less he will be unbalanced by what’s on both sides – its sort of like riding a bicycle – the faster the ride the easier it is to balance. The neat thing about this adrenaline rush thing is that he can’t find out how stupid he is – because it’s not about that – it’s about The Rush ;)

    Now. I’ll admit I kind of went out pretty far out with the analogies, extrapolations and conjecture – but then that’s what we do – we fuck with their heads with words ;)

  89. publius Says:

    I have reported this writer to the Department of Homeland Security for advocating the violent overthrow of the government. With any luck he’ll wind up on the no-fly list and have to take the bus to whatever rock it is he works under.

  90. hih-pea chick Says:

    #65, I am more of a “big environmentalist”, but that was a great post, and #66 was a great humorous response.

    @#80. But, in EE’s own imagery he still states that for all its apparent insignificance, the straw still manages to break the camel’s back, i.e., lead to a significant reaction, i.e., lead to revolt. You were saying, about critical thought?

  91. ethinfelt Says:

    FANTASTIC!

  92. Get Your Ex Back Says:

    My fellow on Orkut shared this link with me and I’m not dissapointed at all that I came to your blog.


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