An IG for Chas Freeman
Chas Freeman, designated head of the National Intelligence Council, has all the right enemies. And his enemies are going after him because they don’t like the fact that he’s criticized Israel in strong terms in the past. But that said, just because his enemies are bad people delving into his financial ties to China and Saudi Arabia in bad faith doesn’t mean that his enemies don’t have the goods. Apparently there’s going to be an independent Inspector General looking into some of the financing behind the Middle East Policy Council and Freeman’s service on the board of a Chinese oil company. I’m not thrilled to see things take this turn, but at the same time I don’t think this is the hill I want to die on. Randy Scheunemann’s foreign lobbying was a problem, the lack of transparency around the Clinton Global Initiative’s finances was a problem, and I think it’s legitimate to see problems in Freeman’s relationships, too.
The flipside is that you have Jamie Kirchick persecuting Freeman in bad faith while deeming it “contemptible” to have raised questions about Scheunemann. Ultimately, if Freeman goes down it won’t, unfortunately, be because a brave new era of good government and clean dealings has arisen; it’ll be a politically motivated neocon hit job. But as I say, if they have the goods they have the goods.
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March 5th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Fuck ‘em. The Neocons are lucky they aren’t getting bullets to the back of the head and shallow graves. Any enemy of the neocons is my friend. Any.
March 5th, 2009 at 9:33 am
I think this post gets it about right. Let’s just not let them make mountains out of moleholes, though.
March 5th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Re Voice of Reason
Fuck ‘em. The Neocons are lucky they aren’t getting bullets to the back of the head and shallow graves. Any enemy of the neocons is my friend. Any.
Nice to know that Hamas and Hizbollah are friends of goat fucker Voice of Reason.
Re Yglesias
Mr. Yglesias, the Norman Finkelstein wannabee, conveniently overlooks Mr. Freemans outrageous comments about the Communist Chinese Governments’ mass murder of dissidents in Tienanmen Square. I have posted a link to a thread on Ed Braytons’ blog previously but I will post it again as it is most appropriate on this thread.
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/03/another_lousy_obama_pick.php
What Mr. Freeman wrote is given below. I would say that, given his putrid comment, Mr. Freeman is in no position to whine about the Government of Israel being beastly to the Palestinians.
I will leave it to others to address the main thrust of your reflection on Eric’s remarks. But I want to take issue with what I assume, perhaps incorrectly, to be yoiur citation of the conventional wisdom about the 6/4 [or Tiananmen] incident. I find the dominant view in China about this very plausible, i.e. that the truly unforgivable mistake of the Chinese authorities was the failure to intervene on a timely basis to nip the demonstrations in the bud, rather than — as would have been both wise and efficacious — to intervene with force when all other measures had failed to restore domestic tranquility to Beijing and other major urban centers in China. In this optic, the Politburo’s response to the mob scene at “Tian’anmen” stands as a monument to overly cautious behavior on the part of the leadership, not as an example of rash action.
For myself, I side on this — if not on numerous other issues — with Gen. Douglas MacArthur. I do not believe it is acceptable for any country to allow the heart of its national capital to be occupied by dissidents intent on disrupting the normal functions of government, however appealing to foreigners their propaganda may be. Such folk, whether they represent a veterans’ “Bonus Army” or a “student uprising” on behalf of “the goddess of democracy” should expect to be displaced with despatch from the ground they occupy. I cannot conceive of any American government behaving with the ill-conceived restraint that the Zhao Ziyang administration did in China, allowing students to occupy zones that are the equivalent of the Washington National Mall and Times Square, combined. while shutting down much of the Chinese government’s normal operations. I thus share the hope of the majority in China that no Chinese government will repeat the mistakes of Zhao Ziyang’s dilatory tactics of appeasement in dealing with domestic protesters in China.
March 5th, 2009 at 9:46 am
And before the Israel bashers on this blog jump all over Mr. Brayton, let it be known that he is no Zionist lackey and is on record in stating IHHO, that the establishment of the State of Israel was a mistake.
March 5th, 2009 at 9:47 am
There are several hilarious aspects to this matter. One is that the IG request was apparently filed by a New York Congressman named Steve Israel. hee hee
March 5th, 2009 at 9:51 am
The other hilarious aspect was this quote from a former FBI official:
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Buck Revell, the FBI’s associate deputy director responsible for investigations and intelligence from 1980 to 1991, said the receipt of Saudi money alone is not a reason to disqualify Mr. Freeman.
“Saudi money is everywhere. It is in the George Bush library, it is in the Clinton library, it’s everywhere. So that in and of itself is not disqualifying,” Mr. Revell said. “But how that money was used – was it used for the correct purposes, was it diverted to other entities or other organizations – that would raise issues of security. If it is going to organizations that say Israel should be wiped from the face of the earth and other stuff, that would raise issues.”
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No word from Mr Revell on where Israeli money is.
By the way, has Kenneth Pollack found those nukes of Saddam Hussein’s yet?
March 5th, 2009 at 9:53 am
This sort of thing is a little difficult because there are “the goods” on lots of people who seem none the less to prosper in DC. Indeed what “the goods” are is a rather fungible beast. Could an IG be appointed to look at the possible involvement of the State of Israel in Denis Ross’s career and the funding of the organisations with which he has been affiliated? Who knows what “goods” and “potential conflicts of interest” might be turned up? We will never know.
March 5th, 2009 at 9:59 am
It is of course, a basic requirement that people involved in intelligence matters not have ties to foreign factions. Just ask House Intelligence Ranking Minority Member Jane Harman how she maintained her independence and impartiality:
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“When the Saban Center talks, I listen,” Harman said at a Saban Center briefing in February on U.S. strategy in Iraq. Harman quipped that, in order to attend the session at Brookings, she had to “blow off” a senior intelligence official’s appearance before a House committee.
Ref: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1549069,00.html
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heh heh. By the way, what ever happened to the trial of those two alleged AIPAC spies?
March 5th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Re Don Williams
By the way, what ever happened to the trial of those two alleged AIPAC spies?
I’m surprised that the blogs resident Bolshevik isn’t on top of this. As I reported on a previous thread, the prosecution received a body blow when the judges’ decision to allow the testimony of a former classifier to be admitted into evidence was upheld by an appeals court. The thinking by the legal aficionados is that the Governments’ case is meat as most of their positions involving suppression of exculpatory evidence have been overruled by the judge in the case. Just another case of the Justice Department trying to railroad somebody into a federal birdcage. As the blogs resident former bank robber, Mr. Hack, who spent nine years in one, would say, the birdcages are not very nice places.
March 5th, 2009 at 10:13 am
I see that Freeman’s attacker — Steve Israel — was the founder of the “Blue Dog Task Force on Israel and the Middle East”.
Ref: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Sisrael.html
Why didn’t they just tattoo the Star of David on his forehead — or did they think the surname was enough? Given the high ethical standards he is demanding of Freeman, should Steve put his foreskin in a blind trust?
March 5th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Re SLC’s comment “I’m surprised that the blogs resident Bolshevik isn’t on top of this. ”
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Acquit me — it is not as if the Mainstream Media is giving a lot of coverage to the AIPAC Espionage case. Quite the reverse, in fact. Almost like “Move On –nothing to see here.”
March 5th, 2009 at 10:29 am
(this is without links — comment with links awaiting moderation)
I think this overlooks that there was a case being made that Freeman shouldn’t get the job, irregardless of his position on Israel, because of his issues with China and Saudi Arabia.
Now if you want to say that this was just a cover for opposing Chas for his position on Israel, you’d have to show that this strong opposition would have come even without what Matt calls “the goods”. And to do that, you have to point out someone who went through a similar process that Chas did — and pointing out guys who have already served in high end positions doesn’t count.
March 5th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Perhaps, Matt, you might accept the idea the Freeman’s hyper-critical views of Israel had the ironic effect of insulating his controversial (and perhaps disqualifying) views about the Saudis and the Chinese.
I would suggest that if China and Saudi views were all we knew about him, it would be impossible to support him.
March 5th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Re Don Williams
Given the high ethical standards he is demanding of Freeman, should Steve put his foreskin in a blind trust?
The blogs resident Bolshevik seems to have something of a problem with circumcision. For one thing, if had been born in California instead of red neck land, he probably would have been cut as well.
I would also remind him that one Joshua of Nazareth was the recipient of that operation on the 8th day after his birth (now known as New Years Day).
March 5th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Don’t every let anyone accuse you of having divided loyalties, SLC.
I’ve never seen the slightest evidence that your loyalties are divided. I mean that.
March 5th, 2009 at 11:02 am
What’s so amazing about that? The NIC Director is an internal CIA job.
March 5th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Er, DNI, now.
March 5th, 2009 at 11:03 am
AL 16:
That’s not what I heard — Rosenberg at TPMCafe said from his sources that even though ‘certain’ individulas Obama were unhappy with the appointment Obama was ok with it. There is some really fu*ked up game being played here. Wake Up America.
March 5th, 2009 at 11:11 am
AL @ 16:
That’s not what I heard — Rosenberg at TPMCafe said he heard from his sources — even though ‘certain’ individuals were unhappy with the pick Obama was ok with it. There are some really fu*ked up games being played here. Wake Up America.
March 5th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Damn… my first post I guess got mangled in formatting???
There’s a piece by Daniel Luban and Jim Lobe over @ antiwar.com Intel Council Head Draws Ire of Israel Lobby
http://www.antiwar.com/ips/lubanlobe.php?articleid=14353
It needs to be read… If Freeman does not survive this rabid AIPAC witch-hunt then it’s really going to show you who is running foreign policy in the United States.
And about Clinton — what do you think he’s up to?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/29/bill-clinton-putin-meet-a_n_162322.html
March 5th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Jeepers, Matt. Rush Limbaugh has Michael Steele and AIPAC has you. By the short hairs.
Do you realize how terrified you appear of AIPAC and Marty Peretz’s WINEP, AIPAC’s mother by another brother, in this piece? You appear ready to do or write anything just so long as AIPAC and WINEP don’t go after you and your latest writing gig.
Are you really so scared and, well, lacking in even the least amount of gumption and general character?
March 5th, 2009 at 11:27 am
I believe you meant “the morally sickening Jamie Kirchick.”
March 5th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Mark @ 22
It certainly looks as if something has been said to Matt. I nearly fell off my chair with his blog entry.
Matt: “…But as I say, if they have the goods they have the goods…”
Jesus, then let’s really open the can of worms on ‘the lobby’ then…
March 5th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Anybody remember the charlie foxtrot that ensued when Sully went on his annual vaca and he let Hini-me, hilzoy, and i think Clemons or Drum take over the blog? That was great comedy.
March 5th, 2009 at 11:45 am
er– *Mini-me*, although I thought about leaving it.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Re Joe from Lowell
Actually, after rereading the speech by Mr. Freeman that Jeff Goldberg found objectionable, I don’t think it was so bad. Certainly, James Earl Carter has said worse things. I would take exception to Mr. Freemens’ implication that Israels’ failure to achieve peace with its neighbors is entirely its own fault (implied mind you, not explicitly stated) but other then that, it seemed fair comment. However, his Tienanmen Square comments are totally unacceptable and he should, at the least, be asked to explain them. As to his associations with the Chinese oil company and the Saudi Government, they are certainly of concern relative conflicts of interest and again, he should be asked to explain them.
March 5th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Why were Congressmen and neo-cons not concerned by the ties to Saudi money of Bush II and, especially, his father?
March 5th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Al @ 28…
I wasn’t born yesterday. The ‘on the record’ statement was after Rosenberg’s source. I would like the explanation why a letter was sent to Congress informing them of the appointment of Freeman? This appointment is not up for Senate nor House approval. Was this letter a fake then? Stinks.
AIPAC’s grip seems to be getting closer… Greg Sargent[Hillary's ex-shill that used to be over at TPM] apparently is now saying:
…that Chuck Schumer is spending political capital to block Freeman…
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/uh-ohhints-that-chas-freeman-about-to-be-tossed-under-the-bus.html
Your AIPAC democrats at work.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Re Sand at 30: ” that Chuck Schumer is spending political capital to block Freeman ”
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Maybe Chuckie was put up to it by his buddies over at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. You know –his Fellow Advisors. Charles Krauthammer. William Kristol. Richard Perle. Clifford Mays. James Woolsey.
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1475.html
Ah yes, I forgot: Nir Boms. Or did he go back to Israel?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Nir_Boms
March 5th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Don Williams @ 31
…or put up by John Bolton or his friends…
http://www.nysun.com/national/schumer-and-clinton-pressed-to-reappoint-bolton/36756/
Just think about it — if it wasn’t for Lincoln Chafee Chuckie and Hills might well have been able to get Bolton into the UN!
Oh, and look what happened to Chafee..
March 5th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
SLC, I’m glad you took my comment as you did.
Honestly, I don’t think the China comments are all that bad, in context.
China was never going to give in to the protesters, and was never going to let them set up shop indefinitely in the heart of Beijing, just as we’d never let MoveOn or ANSWER do so on the National Mall.
Given that, letting it go on and grow for weeks only served to rack up the body count. If they had dispersed them protesters after two days, they would have done so with riot shields, not tanks and machine guns.
That’s how I read his words. Cold, hard, clear-eyed realism. I don’t need the guy heading the NIC to be given to idealistic flights of fancy.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Sand, you completely misread that article.
Here’s what it says on Clinton and Schumer’s position on Bolton’s nomination:
From New York’s senators, however, there has been nothing but silence. Mr. Schumer and Mrs. Clinton voted to block Mr. Bolton’s confirmation a year ago, but they have not declared their positions this time around.
The headline is in headline-ese. It isn’t saying that Clinton and Schumer did the pressing, but that they were being pressed. The article goes on to explain that AIPAC-types were pressing them to support the nomination, or at least not oppose it as strongly as they did before.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Whoa, check this out.
I didn’t know the old gal had it in her. Go Hillary!
March 5th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Voice of Reason:
Now THAT, is gold, Jerry. GOLD! ….huh? not a joke?
March 5th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Voice of Reason: The Neocons are lucky they aren’t getting bullets to the back of the head and shallow graves. Any enemy of the neocons is my friend. Any.
The most committed of the anti-necons would be a bullet in the back of YOUR head and dump YOU in a shallow grave. Get a grip, seriously.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
joe from Lowell @ 34
The point of the article was that Schumer and Hillary have been and can be pressed by ‘the Lobby’ to do their bidding.
Here’s probably a better article on the back story by Steve Clemons:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/002475.php
March 5th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Re Joe from Lowell
I am afraid that Mr. Brayton and I are going to have to disagree with Mr. Joe on the Tienanmen Square incident comment by Mr. Freeman, hopefully not disagreeably. Is Mr. Joe saying that it’s OK for the Chinese government to apply Hama rules to the protesters in Tienanmen Square but not OK for the Government of Israel to apply Hama Rules to Palestinian terrorists?
March 5th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
He’s a big boy & surely can defend himself. If he’s as good as they say he is, chances are that he knows a lot of things. I’m looking forward to hearing about those.
March 5th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
As bad as the Chinese crackdown in Tienanmen Square was, SLC, they didn’t slaughter thousands of people who had nothing whatsoever to do with the incident, which makes a comparison to Gaza implausible, and to Hama completely absurd.
March 5th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
1) In the interest of Judeo-Baptist fraternity, I’ll hand my ole buddy SLC a few nuggets.
Among Mr Freeman’s many honors:
“Director, American Iranian Council”
2) Re Mr Freeman’s early education:
“Born in Rhode Island, his elementary schooling was in a newly established and highly innovative school in the Bahamas, where his father was in business.
“‘One of my teachers was an avowed communist, a World War II Royal Air Force flying ace taught me Greek and Latin, and another of my teachers was arrested as a Nazi war criminal while I was present in his classroom,’ Freeman recalls.
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As the twig is bent, eh, SLC?
Ref: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Charles_W._Freeman%2C_Jr.
March 6th, 2009 at 2:25 am
Joe’s take on the China comments is right — they’re utterly unremarkable. The underlying assumption is that the outcome as it happened was deplorable. Freeman’s comments are that from the perspective of the government the better way to handle the situation would have been to act sooner, with less force. Also that no state, including our own, would simply allow the demonstrations to disrupt civil life or government function indefinitely. Keep in mind, our police today can disrupt any substantial demonstrations that are not permitted. So part of Freeman’s comment was a typical realist insight — that we often flatter ourselves for our supposed moral superiority here in America in order to maintain our standing to condemn the actions of any other regime we see fit to do. It is this insistence on some sense of humility that is being distorted by Chait and others as “fanatical realism,” or whatever they’re calling it. It’s such a preposterous stretch that I am angry that we even need to be bothered to shoot it down, but we have to lest it become established that it can be this easy to spike appointments of worthy public servants for shifting political-ideological reasons likie this in the future.
I also have to say that I do hear what Mark (#22 above) hears in this post. Though I agree with Matt that if a fair, honest investigation (as opposed to the mere assertions of his opponents) shows his associations to compromise him, then that will be dispositive. But writing sentences like, “I’m not thrilled to see things take this turn, but at the same time I don’t think this is the hill I want to die on” doesn’t say a lot for how Matt is approaching this one.
March 6th, 2009 at 2:26 am
“Permitted” above meaning ‘having obtained the necessary permit.’
March 6th, 2009 at 2:31 am
Re: 2nd paragraph of post #43:
In other words, who exactly has Matt afraid for his life should he choose to attempt to take or hold Freeman Hill?
March 6th, 2009 at 7:02 am
The fact is that, in all probability, Mr. Freeman is going to be thrown under the bus. He just has too much baggage and the comments about Israel are small beer compared to his association with the Chinese oil company, his association with Saudi financed think tanks, and his comments about the crackdown on Tienanmen Square. His opponents will make much of the juxtaposition of his Tienanmen Square comments and his association with the Chinese oil company (e.g. did the latter influence his comment about the former). I am quite certain that, if the administration wants somebody with a pro-Arab point of view, they can do better then Mr. Freeman.
March 6th, 2009 at 9:32 am
This last comment seems to concede or at least suspend the full-voiced normative case against Freeman, substituting in the Peretzian new reality where he is supposedly toast. The calculation I guess is that those of us objecting to the smear case will have to take on the role of fanatics twisting at the wind, while the spikers have achieved their goal of diplaying their continued prowess and that we won’t be interested in it. They’re probably right. If that is what Matt meant by not dying on this hill, that makes sense. Doesn’t mean something “ugly” (as bona-fide Walt-basher David Rothkopf at Froeign Policy called it) hasn’t happened here.
March 6th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Sorry Matt, but you have caved to the Lobby. You’re another showcase example of PEP — Progressive Except for Palestine.
Granted, you have thrown a few soft bricks at the Lobby from the sidelines, but when it comes to taking a stand, you cave. You cave! Where’s that progressive moral compass when it really matters? And the fight over Freeman’s appointment really matters, because if he’s pushed out, the Lobby wins and the muzzle on journalistic free speech tightens again.
March 6th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
That’s funny, I thought he was a self-hating Jew, as per Cathy Young.
Jesus – er, Yeshua – I hate this crap: if you don’t line up exactly one or the other band of extremists demand on every. single. question, it makes you a tool of the other side.
Yeah, Matt’s a pawn of AIPAC. That’s why he was so gung-ho in his support of the Gaza offensive.
March 6th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
“Yeah, Matt’s a pawn of AIPAC. That’s why he was so gung-ho in his support of the Gaza offensive.”
Just about every progressive was opposed to the Israeli offensive in Gaza. That one was easy. Telling the truth about the Israel Lobby’s attack against Chas Freeman’s appointment takes courage, because there will be consequences.
March 7th, 2009 at 3:57 am
Okay. So the guy does business with people from Saudi Arabia and China. So does every Bible humping American zealot who owns Walmart stock or drives an SUV. Have you forgotten Saudi Prince Bandar, affectionately named “Bandar Bush” by Barbara “Beautiful Mind” Bush? Or, as a western wag put it, “George Bush never drilled a dry well that wasn’t filled with Saudi money.”
The Israelis prefer expansion to security, which is unremarkable. What’s remarkable is that the United States is underwriting Israeli’s project of expansion and ethnic cleansing despite the obvious fact that doing so is a positive detriment to our own national security. Chas Freeman is not PC enough to omit this point from discussion.
Many Washington leaders are far more frank about Israel’s behavior when they’re talking off the record. If the Israelis and their AIPAC/neocon/neandergelical supporters keep up their strident “y’all must be anti-semites” monkey-business, they could eventually face a serious backlash that would leave Israel completely isolated. Israel is drunk with the power we’ve given it. As Bandar Bush could probably attest, friends don’t let friends drive drunk (or even their asinine progeny).
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