Tokenism is a dead-end for the GOP. Steele’s a passable pol, but the party would be better off with the best possible RNC head, instead of appointing its third minority chairman in a row.
I think this message makes perfect sense. It’s all part of the idea that when republicanism fails it wasn’t really republicanism it was liberalism in disguise such that it was entirely objectionable to all liberals and palatable to nearly all conservatives. It is like how many decided in late 2007 that George W. Bush was not a real conservative. It’s designed to smack of responsibility but it’s really a refusal to asses the real utilitarian failings of a flawed ideology.
I like the part where Glenn says, “Its not really easy to be…the hate monger racist…who wants to starve everyone’s children.”
And my response is, “and nor should it be!” I think the world would be worse off than it is if we were all very accepting of hate monger racists who want to starve people’s children. But hey, that’s just me.
As others have said, this all goes back to the common tactic of claiming that conservatism can’t fail, it can only be failed. Its just a crazy coincidence that it “gets failed” every single time it gets tried. That line gets pretty tiresome, but if its now manifesting itself of the form of the RNC chair saying, “you have no reason to trust us” I’ll play along for bit.
I’m starting to like Steele. We all need comic relief sometimes, and Steele is good at it. And with his hypocrisy, he can be be Rosencrantz and Guildenstern combined! I feared that comedy might suffer under the new administration, but Steele will save it.
The right wing propaganda machine — Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh — have bought enormous disaster down onto America with their deceit.
So why is it that NO ONE in the Democratic Party, Move On, or the leftist leadership will stand up and confront them? Why will no one note that Bill O’Reilly is several million dollars richer since he told us about Saddam’s WMDs in 2002 — while thousands of Iraqi veterans are struggling to cope with being badly crippled for life?
This is why is so despicable about the Democratic leadership –and the leadership of the left. They do nothing but carp from the sidelines. They never lead — they think that they simply have to stand around and wait for the voters to get tired of being fucked by the Republicans and then give the Democrats the positions they deserve because they went to Harvard. And if the common American citizen is badly wounded by their cheap little deals, well, who really gives a shit?
Wait — how many people were pariahs for liking Bush in 2000?
I call bullshit. I doubt saying “I’m voting for Bush” around the water-cooler in August 2000 was a really bruising, brave moment. But that Glenn — he’s suffered for his beliefs!
Dude’s rewriting history. Nothing controversial about going Bush in 2000 at all. Sure, liberals wouldn’t like it. But that goes both ways. Would Glenn laugh his ass off at a guy saying, “It was SO hard, voting Gore in 2000 — I was treated like the pinko commie fag scum, but I actually believed in something!” Yes, Glenn would laugh his ass off, and rightly so.
You’re a charmer, Fred. Anyway, you missed the one who Steele replaced, who was actually running for reelection. Which kind of makes me think that in your eagerness to condemn the RNC for electing a black man, you didn’t bother to research whether any non-dumbass white guys were available (judging by Saltsman and Dawson, no).
“Perhaps some day you will grasp that pointing and laughing at them is often the most effective form of confrontation.”
That is the most true thing that has ever been written on this blog. My mom always said that when people are joking about you, you’re done. And she wasn’t just some joker. She moderated the local political debates on TV. She debated every school board meeting and city council meeting in her lifetime. Every politician in eastern Pennsylvania knew exactly who she was and hated her with a passion. But her most effective points were jokes. But her jokes worked because nobody would ever suspect that she had a sense of humor. But once everyone laughs at the King, the King is surely dead. Even the Tao Te Ching will tell you that.
I never said there weren’t dumb-ass white guys. My point was that it’s better to take the best-available candidate
Funny you should say that. It turns out that Michael Steele Was the best available candidate. Though the line about being a member of the minority group known as the Republican party was a pretty funny one.
This is way off subject, but we should admit that Lincoln made a big mistake. Trying to include the South in this country hasn’t really worked for us. If we had let them secede, we wouldn’t have to subsidize them now. They are the drunk uncle that always needs money. And we’ve given it to them for the the last century. It would be better for the rest of us if The South just seceded again. But this time, there should be no war. Let’s just let them do it peacefully. If we let them do it quietly enough, they won’t notice how much it screws them. By the time they figure it out, they can’t raise an army against us.
Though the line about being a member of the minority group known as the Republican party was a pretty funny one.
Hey that was me, and I agree with you!
(Actually, I don’t have any particular information that Anuzis is a dumbass, except who but a dumbass would want the RNC job right now? But anyway he apparently wounded his campaign fatally by criticizing that “Barack the Magic Negro” song, so Steele was the best of the remaining candidates.)
Can’t help but noticing the “stopping the march toward socialism” cheap shot on the banner in the video. Beck cannot realistically beleive that Obama is a socialist. Read history and then look at Obama’s surprisingly conservative record – already – in the White House.
And what’s so horrible about socialism? Capitalism has failed has tie and tie again, this crisis perhaps the worst ever – even worse than the Depression in number of people affected.
It’s time for Obama to embrace the criticism and actually try the “socialism” the right wing so decries.
Fred, one slight issue: is there any reason to believe that Michael Steele isn’t the best face of the Republican Party right now?
I look at the competition, and most of the rest of the interested parties are proud to have started their career fighting against the civil rights movement, belong to all-white country clubs, send around tapes calling Obama a magical negro. Or, are utterly, truly incompetent boobs (Blackwell).
Steele fits the requirement of basic competence and lacks any disqualifying back story. Going into this, I wanted anyone except for Steele to win, and I think most Democrats shared that hope. Isn’t that at least suggestive that Steele was at least one of the better choices?
There is actually logic behind the idea. Not only does GOP/libertarian Rational Choice Doctrine require you to assume universal selfishness and untrustworthiness, but all movements regardless of ideology must at times be suspicious of their leaders–and sometimes it’s even advantageous to the leaders for this to be the case. I hope, for example, that the ACLU doesn’t “trust” President Obama. Power always corrupts, and that’s something everyone should be able to agree on.
What’s not to trust? House Republicans voted unanimously against doing anything, no matter what Obama did to compromise or whether other segments of the Democratic circular firing squad got going as well. Today the Times reminds us that Clinton’s budget in 1993 passed against Republican unanimity, too. The party is totally loyal to its nutty ideology of selfishness and hatred.
Going into this, I wanted anyone except for Steele to win, and I think most Democrats shared that hope.
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Sorry Zephyrus, I can’t agree with you. I’m a Democrat who has lived in the DC area since 1999, so I got to watch Steele as Lt. Governor of Maryland. The man is a buffoon. A total empty suit. He made Gov. Bob Ehrlich look like the smart one. I literally laughed out loud when I heard he was running for head of the RNC. I was astonished and thrilled when the RNC actually picked him.
He is very affable in person, but that’s his only asset. He’s shown no particular vision nor has he demonstrated any organizational skills – his 2006 Senate campaign was a mess. And less than a month into the job he’s already been accused of using GOP money to pay for non-delivered services from a non-existent company owned by his sister – who is Mike Tyson’s ex-wife(!). That should be a nice little soap opera.
I’m old enough to remember when the RNC was run by people like Haley Barbour – smart, connected, and sucked up cash like a Shop-Vac. Nope, as Democrat I am thrilled that the RNC is now run by Michael Steele. Enjoy the sound bites – that’s as good as he gets.
And truly just desserts IMO – this is what the GOP gets for spending the last 20 years pretending to be diverse instead of spending the last 20 years actually trying to, um, be diverse.
February 13th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
glenn beck is such a d-bag!!
February 13th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
What is it with the “fool me once” line that republicans just can’t get their heads around?
February 13th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Tokenism is a dead-end for the GOP. Steele’s a passable pol, but the party would be better off with the best possible RNC head, instead of appointing its third minority chairman in a row.
February 13th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
What is it with the “fool me once” line that republicans just can’t get their heads around?
The “shame on me” part, apparently. Guess it’s hard for them to admit what chumps they really are.
February 13th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
I love the “fool me once” flub! strannix is right: they can’t handle the “shame on me” part!
February 13th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
I think this message makes perfect sense. It’s all part of the idea that when republicanism fails it wasn’t really republicanism it was liberalism in disguise such that it was entirely objectionable to all liberals and palatable to nearly all conservatives. It is like how many decided in late 2007 that George W. Bush was not a real conservative. It’s designed to smack of responsibility but it’s really a refusal to asses the real utilitarian failings of a flawed ideology.
February 13th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Steele is Hank Kingsley. Beck is some sort of mentally deficient gargoyle.
February 13th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Hey, at least Michael Steele was finally, on one occasion, neither lying nor wrong.
February 13th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Refreshing!
February 13th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
When Steele writes his memoir it will be called “From Those Wonderful People Who Brought You Abu Ghraib!”
February 13th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Ubuntu, my shitty graphics card, and youtube argue and I don’t have another machine around at the moment. What did Steele say?
February 13th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Sorry Matt,
I never, I mean never watch or listen to Glenn Back, so I had to pass on this post. Try to spare us the A-hole.
February 13th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
I like the part where Glenn says, “Its not really easy to be…the hate monger racist…who wants to starve everyone’s children.”
And my response is, “and nor should it be!” I think the world would be worse off than it is if we were all very accepting of hate monger racists who want to starve people’s children. But hey, that’s just me.
As others have said, this all goes back to the common tactic of claiming that conservatism can’t fail, it can only be failed. Its just a crazy coincidence that it “gets failed” every single time it gets tried. That line gets pretty tiresome, but if its now manifesting itself of the form of the RNC chair saying, “you have no reason to trust us” I’ll play along for bit.
February 13th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
“Its not really easy to be…the hate monger racist…who wants to starve everyone’s children.”
I’m tired of right-wingers’ characterizations of liberals. It’s:
torture-loving war-monger ignoramus who wants to deprive poor children of dentistry, immunization, asthma medication, and antibiotics
Get it right next time, jeesh.
February 13th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
I’m starting to like Steele. We all need comic relief sometimes, and Steele is good at it. And with his hypocrisy, he can be be Rosencrantz and Guildenstern combined! I feared that comedy might suffer under the new administration, but Steele will save it.
February 13th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
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February 13th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
its third minority chairman in a row.
To what minority does Mike Duncan belong? Besides the Republican party?
February 13th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
The right wing propaganda machine — Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh — have bought enormous disaster down onto America with their deceit.
So why is it that NO ONE in the Democratic Party, Move On, or the leftist leadership will stand up and confront them? Why will no one note that Bill O’Reilly is several million dollars richer since he told us about Saddam’s WMDs in 2002 — while thousands of Iraqi veterans are struggling to cope with being badly crippled for life?
This is why is so despicable about the Democratic leadership –and the leadership of the left. They do nothing but carp from the sidelines. They never lead — they think that they simply have to stand around and wait for the voters to get tired of being fucked by the Republicans and then give the Democrats the positions they deserve because they went to Harvard. And if the common American citizen is badly wounded by their cheap little deals, well, who really gives a shit?
February 14th, 2009 at 12:10 am
“To what minority does Mike Duncan belong? Besides the Republican party?”
I was thinking of the (gay?) Jew. Maybe I missed one in the sequence.
February 14th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Wait — how many people were pariahs for liking Bush in 2000?
I call bullshit. I doubt saying “I’m voting for Bush” around the water-cooler in August 2000 was a really bruising, brave moment. But that Glenn — he’s suffered for his beliefs!
Dude’s rewriting history. Nothing controversial about going Bush in 2000 at all. Sure, liberals wouldn’t like it. But that goes both ways. Would Glenn laugh his ass off at a guy saying, “It was SO hard, voting Gore in 2000 — I was treated like the pinko commie fag scum, but I actually believed in something!” Yes, Glenn would laugh his ass off, and rightly so.
What a dweeb.
February 14th, 2009 at 12:25 am
I was thinking of the (gay?) Jew.
You’re a charmer, Fred. Anyway, you missed the one who Steele replaced, who was actually running for reelection. Which kind of makes me think that in your eagerness to condemn the RNC for electing a black man, you didn’t bother to research whether any non-dumbass white guys were available (judging by Saltsman and Dawson, no).
February 14th, 2009 at 12:31 am
I never said there weren’t dumb-ass white guys. My point was that it’s better to take the best-available candidate, rather than worry about symbolism.
February 14th, 2009 at 1:14 am
“You have absolutely no reason to trust our word or our actions at this point.”
So other than their words or their actions, what other attributes of Republicans are people supposed to trust? Don’t everybody chime in at once.
February 14th, 2009 at 1:33 am
Obama he ain’t!
February 14th, 2009 at 1:39 am
“Perhaps some day you will grasp that pointing and laughing at them is often the most effective form of confrontation.”
That is the most true thing that has ever been written on this blog. My mom always said that when people are joking about you, you’re done. And she wasn’t just some joker. She moderated the local political debates on TV. She debated every school board meeting and city council meeting in her lifetime. Every politician in eastern Pennsylvania knew exactly who she was and hated her with a passion. But her most effective points were jokes. But her jokes worked because nobody would ever suspect that she had a sense of humor. But once everyone laughs at the King, the King is surely dead. Even the Tao Te Ching will tell you that.
February 14th, 2009 at 1:46 am
I never said there weren’t dumb-ass white guys. My point was that it’s better to take the best-available candidate
Funny you should say that. It turns out that Michael Steele Was the best available candidate. Though the line about being a member of the minority group known as the Republican party was a pretty funny one.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:05 am
And in a related story, the earth is orbiting the sun.
February 14th, 2009 at 6:25 am
This is way off subject, but we should admit that Lincoln made a big mistake. Trying to include the South in this country hasn’t really worked for us. If we had let them secede, we wouldn’t have to subsidize them now. They are the drunk uncle that always needs money. And we’ve given it to them for the the last century. It would be better for the rest of us if The South just seceded again. But this time, there should be no war. Let’s just let them do it peacefully. If we let them do it quietly enough, they won’t notice how much it screws them. By the time they figure it out, they can’t raise an army against us.
February 14th, 2009 at 7:04 am
Though the line about being a member of the minority group known as the Republican party was a pretty funny one.
Hey that was me, and I agree with you!
(Actually, I don’t have any particular information that Anuzis is a dumbass, except who but a dumbass would want the RNC job right now? But anyway he apparently wounded his campaign fatally by criticizing that “Barack the Magic Negro” song, so Steele was the best of the remaining candidates.)
February 14th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Can’t help but noticing the “stopping the march toward socialism” cheap shot on the banner in the video. Beck cannot realistically beleive that Obama is a socialist. Read history and then look at Obama’s surprisingly conservative record – already – in the White House.
And what’s so horrible about socialism? Capitalism has failed has tie and tie again, this crisis perhaps the worst ever – even worse than the Depression in number of people affected.
It’s time for Obama to embrace the criticism and actually try the “socialism” the right wing so decries.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/
February 14th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Fred, one slight issue: is there any reason to believe that Michael Steele isn’t the best face of the Republican Party right now?
I look at the competition, and most of the rest of the interested parties are proud to have started their career fighting against the civil rights movement, belong to all-white country clubs, send around tapes calling Obama a magical negro. Or, are utterly, truly incompetent boobs (Blackwell).
Steele fits the requirement of basic competence and lacks any disqualifying back story. Going into this, I wanted anyone except for Steele to win, and I think most Democrats shared that hope. Isn’t that at least suggestive that Steele was at least one of the better choices?
February 14th, 2009 at 10:46 am
There is actually logic behind the idea. Not only does GOP/libertarian Rational Choice Doctrine require you to assume universal selfishness and untrustworthiness, but all movements regardless of ideology must at times be suspicious of their leaders–and sometimes it’s even advantageous to the leaders for this to be the case. I hope, for example, that the ACLU doesn’t “trust” President Obama. Power always corrupts, and that’s something everyone should be able to agree on.
February 14th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
What’s not to trust? House Republicans voted unanimously against doing anything, no matter what Obama did to compromise or whether other segments of the Democratic circular firing squad got going as well. Today the Times reminds us that Clinton’s budget in 1993 passed against Republican unanimity, too. The party is totally loyal to its nutty ideology of selfishness and hatred.
February 14th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
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Sorry Zephyrus, I can’t agree with you. I’m a Democrat who has lived in the DC area since 1999, so I got to watch Steele as Lt. Governor of Maryland. The man is a buffoon. A total empty suit. He made Gov. Bob Ehrlich look like the smart one. I literally laughed out loud when I heard he was running for head of the RNC. I was astonished and thrilled when the RNC actually picked him.
He is very affable in person, but that’s his only asset. He’s shown no particular vision nor has he demonstrated any organizational skills – his 2006 Senate campaign was a mess. And less than a month into the job he’s already been accused of using GOP money to pay for non-delivered services from a non-existent company owned by his sister – who is Mike Tyson’s ex-wife(!). That should be a nice little soap opera.
I’m old enough to remember when the RNC was run by people like Haley Barbour – smart, connected, and sucked up cash like a Shop-Vac. Nope, as Democrat I am thrilled that the RNC is now run by Michael Steele. Enjoy the sound bites – that’s as good as he gets.
And truly just desserts IMO – this is what the GOP gets for spending the last 20 years pretending to be diverse instead of spending the last 20 years actually trying to, um, be diverse.
February 14th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
These people are cretins, and all cretins are liars.
February 14th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
For the love of God, the saying is “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.” Can no Republican ever get that phrase right??
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