If Jon Chait thinks I’ve veered into some kind of objectionable “moral equivalent” (incidentally, if he doesn’t like using those buzzwords, which he shouldn’t, then it seems to me he shouldn’t use them), then he’s really not going to like this from Steven Walt’s new blog.
Also: Steven Walt has a new blog as part of the new Foreign Policy website.
I think that’s a gutsy move by Foreign Policy and a great one. There have been about a million posts in the blogosphere lamenting the lack of pundit accountability — the tendency of the media landscape not to shift at all no matter how bad some people’s forecasts turn out to be. This is the reverse of that. The sort of “realist” perspective that Walt comes from (and helps define) is definitely one that looks better in light of the past eight years worth of events. And yet there’s been precious little media interest in giving it more exposure — in part because it leads to conclusions that aren’t necessarily what candidates for office want to hear. But it’s crucially important to expand the conversation on national security issues and this is an important step toward doing so.
January 5th, 2009 at 11:07 am
1. How can you link to the guy’s blog, WHICH IS HIS NAME and still fail to spell it right?
2. I’m a hardcore realist but I’m rather bothered by this. The taint of “The Israel Lobby” is rather nasty.
January 5th, 2009 at 11:10 am
The “moral equivalence” charge is something cowardly propagandists have been making for generations in order to silence people from ever making logical comparisons they don’t like. The crimes of Our Nation or Our Ally must be contextualized by who We or They are, not by what they do.
They pulled this sh*t all the time in the Reagan era. As our government was running around gleefully helping Central American tyrants bash babies’ heads into rocks and rape nuns and bomb clinics and generally slaughter civilians by the tens of thousands, bold types as Chait stood up to moan and groan about how dare you make a “moral equivalence” between Our Fair Nation and whatever prior evil actions by some evil nation to whom our murderous, villainous actions were being compared.
Go to hell, Chait, and I don’t give a sh*t what you do or don’t think is permitted as a “moral equivalent.” Shove that little propaganda tool up your a**. I’m sick of it.
January 5th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Walt’s attempt to spin alternative history into a commentary on today’s situation is just weird. Is the next step going to be plumbing the depths of The Yiddish Policemen’s Union for contemporary relevance?
January 5th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Matt should just say “I do not think Hamas and Israel are morally equivalent.” Then watch these guys’ heads explode.
January 5th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Re Steven Walt
It certainly doesn’t speak well for Foreign Policy Magazine to have a congenital lying Israel-bashing fucktard like Steven Walt on their blogging forums.
January 5th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
As a realist and an appreciator of Foreign Policy who has plenty of sympathy for the Palestinians, I am deeply concerned by the decision to give the dangerous extremist, Steven Walt, an outlet on the FP website. Very, truly, deeply concerned. Concerned! NEVER AGAIN!
January 5th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Al: After you lied constantly and repeatedly about the Goldfarb post, claiming that Goldfarb was talking about a Hamas leader who had killed his own family, when he was clearly discussing a family killed in a bomb attack, maybe you should back off on charges of who misinterpreted what. And you’ve not corrected yourself nor apologized.
January 5th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Al, the term “moral equivalence” is not perfectly apt here, in fact it is a gross distortion of what Matt wrote, and therefore Chait should know better than to use this term — whether buzzword or not.
Granted, I don’t expect any different from you.
January 5th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Al: Your characterization was a lie, given that you were recharacterizing what Goldfarb had written. Goldfarb wrote nothing about Rayan being responsible for his own family’s death via the phone call hypothesis. He didn’t. So, you completely lied about what Goldfarb had written, apparently thinking your rewrite including the phone call interpretation weighs more than what Goldfarb actually wrote. You’re a cheap liar, and as I pointed out then and point out again now, you don’t care that you’re lying.
January 5th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Chait is a bright guy, so I assume Marty made him post something like that.
January 5th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
dangerous extremist Never Again
Love some of these posts. The language they use is suggestive of real desperation. It is no longer possible to totally disguise what is happening to the Palestinian people, and her so called defenders are forced to the edge to try and make any smear stick.
I will be waiting for the invocation of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
January 5th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
By her, I mean lady Israel of course.
January 5th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Awesome news!
I’ve read Mr Walt’s book – The Israel lobby – which I recommend to anyone who is keen to know who and how US foreign policy has been hijacked by these thugs.
The tide is turning …
January 5th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Re Farid
The fact that an antisemitic needle dick son of a whore like Mr. Farid endorses fucktard Steven Walts’ book is all one needs to know about the latter.
January 5th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Whatever Salt Lake City:
Walt’s book presents reasoned analysis regarding the Israel Lobby – nothing the book says is really all that controversial: AIPAC does exact significant influence in Washington (a claim they themselves make), and they advocate on behalf of a foreign country who’s interests don’t always align with those of the United States. Exactly what part of that is controversial?
And if you really want to make an intelligent comment (well, that WOULD be a first), try to actually rebut Walt’s arguments and evidence – you might enjoy not being a tool.
January 5th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
SLC
What’s your obsession with whores? sexual repression as a result of a fucked up beliefs? or been hangining out with Hasidic friends of yours in south Williamsburg lately? you know the old van, the smelly blankets and 10 bucks a bj hookers?
January 5th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
“you might enjoy not being a tool.”
LOL! exactly.
Here’s an exercise for feeble minded SLC: find out why Israel is the most hated country in the world? hint: it’s not antisemitism.
January 5th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
SS
Rationality isn’t part of the Zionist’s repertoire, brutality however …
January 5th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
SLC: “The fact that an antisemitic needle dick son of a whore like Mr. Farid endorses fucktard Steven Walts’ book is all one needs to know about the latter.”
The fact that a Zionist freakazoid needle dick son of a whore like SLC complains about Stephen Walt’s book is all one needs to know about the latter.
Walt’s “thought experiment” was good. Basically his description of how the Orthodox hardliners would end up as terrorists pretty much describes how Israel was founded in the first place. The difference between the Irgun and Haganah then and Al Qaeda today is minimal. The only difference really is that Hollywood hasn’t romanticized Al Qaeda like they did the Zionists.
January 5th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
I see. It’s SLC gangbang time again?
January 5th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Jonathan Chait is a poltroon of limited comprehension who’d rape and kill a 4 year old Palestinian girl if his dad told him it would help the local Yeshiva.
The fact is it’s plain to see now that Nazi Israel is more evil and odious than any regime since Nazi Germany. And, at least Hitler & Co. weren’t base enough to whine that they were the victims.
January 5th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
“And, at least Hitler & Co. weren’t base enough to whine that they were the victims.”
The reason for that is to sustain and develop the holocaust industry.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:33 am
SLC is odious as usual, but he may not even be the most odious person in this thread.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:12 am
Walt is indefensible. You can read Jeff Goldberg’s extremely damning (and extremely lengthy) takedown of Walt and Mearsheimer in the Atlantic.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:13 am
Sorry, I meant the New Republic above. Got confused with Goldberg’s current perch.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:00 am
Goldberg is a contemptible charlatan.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:36 am
Jeffrey Goldberg once said that I’d rather see US nuked than Israel.
’nuff said.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Re Richard Steven Hack
The fact that a convicted bank robber who spent 9 years in the federal birdcage at Leavenworth and who advocates the assassination of police officers praises Prof. Walts’ book is sufficient grounds for doubting the reliability of that tome.
Re Farid
Mr. Farid, the fake Zoroastrian and anti-semitic goat fucker is cordially invited to take his comments and shove them up his ass.
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