Jan 14th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Ruffini: Kristol, Brooks, and Will Not Conservative Enough
Right-wing rising star Patrick Ruffini Twitters:
How representative are Will, Kristol, and Brooks of conservative media?
This strikes me as somewhat reminiscent of Erick Erickson’s planned “Operation Leper” targeted at right-wingers insufficiently wingnutty to recognize Sarah Palin’s eminent qualifications for high office.
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January 14th, 2009 at 11:39 am
I’m not surprised that Will and Brooks are considered impure. I believe both spoke unfavorably of Our Sarah. But Kristol? He the original Cheneyite. A proud supporter of Moose-alini. I’m hoping he resigns from the Standard to manage her 2012 campaign.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Evidently recognizing Barack Obama’s right to exist is unforgivable.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Yes but Kristol was a McCain man in 2000 and so was not always one who followed the light of the W!
January 14th, 2009 at 11:51 am
It was Kristol who first say Palin’s brilliance and introduced her to the world. So maybe this means opposite of what we think, that conservatives want to move away from the starbursts.
Yes, I doubt it.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Erick Erickson! Yeah! Go after the wingnuts in my state more
January 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
I think he meant that Kristol and Brooks know how to read and use forks. So, they are clearly “elitists” to the cro-magnon base who think that white trash like Palin and Joe the Plumber are the future of the GOP.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
I love it that half-wits like Ruffini are The Next Right.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I love it that half-wits like Ruffini are The Next Right.
Yeah, Yglesias isn’t the first left-wing blogger I’ve read praising The Next Right as something to respect or at least to watch, but I just don’t get it. As far as I can tell, they agree with RedState, Palin and the RNC about everything of substance, except for how to get elected. The first rats to desert a sinking ship are still rats.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Kristol is a neocon. None of the three really represent mainstream conservatism.
Please explain the difference between present-day “mainstream conservatism” and neoconservatism. I guess you could say that mainstream conservatism is even more hostile to things like science, logic, and knowledge than neoconservatism. Neocons vs the “useful idiots” and all that…
January 14th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Will is a fairly libertarian conservative and Kristol is a neocon.
Between libertarian conservatives and neocon, what’s left? Religious conservatives, I guess. If only Obama would make some symbolic gesture to reach out a conservative religious leader…
January 14th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Kristol really couldn’t give two shits about domestic politics so long as we’re killing people in Asia. Well, so long as we’re killing lots of people somewhere. He’s not particularly dogmatic on taxes or social spending.
What I think Al means by “mainstream” is “hard right” – people who combine Kristol’s militarism, Will’s economic libertarianism and set of social policy allegiances similar to Will’s and Brooks’ but several more steps to the right.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
That would be someone who is a libertarian on economic issues, a Christian Theocrat on social issues and a warmonger with regard to foreign policy … George Bush! A completely unshakable base of 27% is nothing to be sneezed at.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
as someone who has long believed that most of the people who call themselves “conservatives” these days are right-wing authoritarians sullying a perfectly legitimate philosophy, i have to laugh at the notion of al disowning david brooks, george will, and bill kristol.
sorry, al, this is what the conservative movement has allowed itself to become: there is no walking away from them now.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
We know that Bill Kristol is outside the mainstream of the Republican party because his choice for Vice Presidential candidate was Sarah Palin, whom the Republican base loahtes. . . . .
January 14th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Matt, you are way behind the times. Erick Erickson has now formed a new vanguard for the next conservative movement – RedState Strike Force. I can see the chicken hawks assembling for battle now!
January 14th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
What I think Al means by “mainstream” is “hard right” – people who combine Kristol’s militarism, Will’s economic libertarianism and set of social policy allegiances similar to Will’s and Brooks’ but several more steps to the right.
That was the point of having the dinner with them all in one place. Together, they combined to form Voltron Conservative: combining all features of the three while also being stronger than the sum of the parts.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Maybe President Elect Obama could sit down with Joe Wurzelshizzle or whatever his name is? spread the wealth!
January 14th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I give you credit for continuing to follow Ruffini on twitter — it’s detached from reality tweets like the one quoted that caused me to unfollow him.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Above it is noted: “Kristol is a neocon. None of the three really represent mainstream conservatism.”
I agree completely.
As all three can read and write, as all three believe man did not walk with dinosaurs and as all three can remember at least some of the newspapers they’ve read – CLEARLY they are excluded from what remains of “mainstream conservatism.”
January 14th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
this s great (and also verry amusing) watching the right wingers after they got demolished in November. I’m going to totally enjoy the next 8 years of OBama or as I like to call it ‘The Age of Obama’ or Obamalot.
So to all you Neocons, just sit back and watch the show…..oops, i’m sorry, you don’t really have a choice do you?
January 14th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Infantile attempts at satirising conservatives aside, have you ever considered Robert Taft and Barry Goldwater conservatism as the spiritual inspiration of mainstream conservatism? Or are their discourses too serious and high-minded for juvenile liberals?
January 14th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Forget “conservatism,” please. It has been, operationally, de facto, Godless and therefore irrelevant. Secular conservatism will not defeat secular liberalism because to God both are two atheistic peas-in-a-pod and thus predestined to failure. As Stonewall Jackson’s Chief of Staff R.L. Dabney said of such a humanistic belief more than 100 years ago:
“[Secular conservatism] is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today .one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt bath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it be salted? Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It .is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth.”
Our country is collapsing because we have turned our back on God (Psalm 9:17) and refused to kiss His Son (Psalm 2).
John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
Recovering Republican
JLof@aol.com
January 15th, 2009 at 5:15 am
re Al: whaaa ha ha ha ha
re Stephen Myles: pistols at dawn, sir. The standards of 19th-c. honor must be upheld, what. Quite.
January 15th, 2009 at 7:24 am
John Lofton’s humor site, linked a couple comments above, is truly spectacular. It appears to be sort of an Onion-ish take on conservative websites. I mean, the top two items are one headed “Michael Anthony Peroutka On The Deadly Effect Of Darwin’s Legacy,” and one that actually uses the phrase “super predators” and quotes a CBS news report from 1996 as evidence of a forthcoming crime wave. Good times.
January 15th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Let’s remember, John Lofton was the guy who was in a debate with Frank Zappa in an early Crossfire episode in the 1980s — and came across as even more unhinged than Robert Novak!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc
(Ruffini has yet to reach that milestone, so perhaps we’ll give him that!)
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