Jan 18th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
BSG Prediction Blogging
There be spoilers at this link so don’t click here if you haven’t seen Friday’s new episode of Battlestar Galactica. Suffice it to say that I endorse Julian’s predictions.
Bonus policy angle: Tricia Helfer’s off the grid sustainable house.
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January 18th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
I think RDM in [url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html]this interview[/url] firmly squashes Julian’s prediction.
January 18th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
i reject this theory for the simple reason that there is no frakkin’ way the BSG writers planned that far ahead.
occam’s razor, man, occam’s razor.
January 18th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Gah. That’d be this interview.
January 18th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Meh. There’s an interview with Moore at the Chicago Tribune that sure makes it sound like the final Cylon is indeed the one we saw on Friday. (Warning – even the link has spoilers in it.)
January 18th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Matt endorses this prediction:
The body in Kara Thrace’s crashed ship will turn out to be a Dee model—note the ring on her neck matches the one Dee places in her locker before shooting herself.
Really Matt? I mean, it’s not like that body has a K THRACE dog tag or anything… Apart from that, brilliant theory from someone who apparently dozed off during the show.
January 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Julian’s prediction is too clever by half. I’d gladly be willing to bet that they are NOT true, if there’s anyone out there willing to take me up on it.
January 18th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Forget the D part of Julian’s theory. I think the “Ellen being a 6″ is worth exploring. As Moore states in the interview, the Tighs are just meant to be together, as much as being together really fraks with the both of them. And Tigh has been with the 6, and he has impregnated the 6. It’s not conclusive. It’s probably not true. But I think there’s something to that.
My question is this: is the full-blooded Cylon child of Tigh and Caprica-6 a separate, distinct 13th model? Or if Tigh is the 6, then is the child the 5th? Could Starbuck be this model as well? Perhaps she’s the Tighs’ daughter, born illegitimately to Ellen and raised by her abusive, adoptive mother (no clues have suggested that Starbuck is adopted but she’d obviously have to be if this theory holds water). The father she refers to in the beginning of season 2, the guy who recorded the piano music, could be a anyone/anything, including one of the initial programmers.
One of the clues on the viral site YouWillKnowTheTruth is a picture of Starbuck playing piano with a strange man. Her apparent father played piano. Anyone have anything else to add to that?
Obviously there is something that makes her unique. She found her remains on Earth. We saw her and her remains in the same frame. Based on what we know to be true, the only conclusion is that she is a Cylon.
Anywho, I’m not totally buying into what I’m suggesting, as Moore states in the interview that D’Anna speaks to Ellen in her vision of the 5, pretty much negating the idea that Ellen is the 6. But who knows?
January 18th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
can’t be Dee.
at one point last season D’Anna clearly says that four of the final five are with the colonial fleet. she doesn’t follow-up with the location of the other one, and nobody presses her abut it, either. but if we assume D’Anna knows what she’s talking about, then the final one can’t be with the fleet.
so the final is either dead, was somehow on vacation from the fleet when D’Anna said that, never was with the fleet to begin with (ex. left behind on one of the colonies, or is on Earth, waiting). or, the final one is something other than an individual – it could be God, or “all of humanity” or Earth itself, or something equally sneaky and unsatisfying.
January 18th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
For Starbuck-
What might fit it all together is Starbuck gets thrown back in time 2000 years, crashes, and the controlling cylon authority/rebirth hub just automatically reassembles her and her ship and sends her back on her way. Keep in mind that there are many more variety of cylons on Earth so it may not be that big of a deal to basically replicate anything.
Now what would be twisted is if Starbuck’s crashing viper was read by a side as a nuclear first strike and is what caused the holocaust.
January 18th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
To make Dee’s suicide to be anything other than what it appeared to be would be to sacrifice the emotional for the mythological. Based on the general tone of the episode, I don’t think they were trying to do that.
January 18th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Rob, yeah, I had that same thought, that Starbuck was the cause of Earth’s destruction through some strange time travel mechanism. That would explain her being the harbinger of death.
January 18th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Well RDM does have a history with a show where a wormhole played a prominent role, so Starbuck’s original ‘death’ could have been her getting sucked into the past through a wormhole — then causing the destruction of the original earth. Perhaps they’re all caught is some inescapable time-loop.. like that episode of star trek the next generation where they keep colliding with a ship; except over many thousands of years. i suppose that would also make it like the matrix with its many generations.. etc.
January 18th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Actually, Seasons 2.5 – 4 will turn out to be a fever dream by Helo as he awaits execution in the brig of Cain’s Battlestar Pegasus.
January 18th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Didn’t think Starbuck’s corpse looked 2000 years old. (Thought I saw some blonde hair on that skull.) But I like the idea that she was the harbinger of the war. I think we’re going to see the our 13th colony cousins are highly evolved technologically, and have been our “guardian angels” throughout the journey. I think they are the ones who sent Thrace back, much in the same way they sent the final five back, so many years ago.
January 18th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Interesting idea, but ultimately, I think not. I think the final five probably predate the other seven models. The seven may actually have been an early attempt to reverse engineer the final five, hence the no-aging and reproductive problems. Ellen may have inspired six to a degree, but I doubt they were one and the same.
Similarly I think Dee can be attributed to PTSD.
January 19th, 2009 at 1:28 am
Meanwhile. spoilers from the cast at “Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles”.
Thomas Dekker, who plays the emo cyber-revolutionary John Connor in Fox’s addictive Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, dropped a bunch of spoilers on us on Tuesday, Dec. 6, while promoting the second half of the show’s current season in an exclusive interview in Los Angeles.
http://scifiwire.com/2009/01/thomas-dekker-drops-spoilers-for-terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles.php#more
John Friedman producer’s podcast – nice long interview w/ Josh as he chats about everything from the cast, to the fans, to perusing the internet.
http://sarahconnorsociety.net/2009/01/16/josh-friedmans-lost-interview/
Sounds like things are going to heat up, become more focused, and there will be overall plot development and revelations.
I especially liked Tom’s comment, which mirrored my own feelings about the first 13 episodes:
January 19th, 2009 at 1:31 am
Yup. It appears we will be seeing Kyle Reese in the present – somehow.
Here’s Josh’s first videocast and a spoiler clip:
http://sarahconnorsociety.net/2009/01/09/spoiler-clip-message-from-josh-friedman-02×14-the-good-wound/
Spoiler Clip & Message from Josh Friedman 02×14 The Good Wound
January 9th, 2009
Ok our production team is back on their blog BIG TIME and our beloved producer Mr. “I-hate-spoilers-but-am-going-to-KILL-you-all-with-anticipation” Friedman just posted a DOOZY of a clip for Friday February 13th’s all new episode “The Good Wound.” They also have a brand new site for the podcasts where you can download the video files:
http://terminatorscc.podomatic.com/
January 19th, 2009 at 7:14 am
So, who wants to be the one who has to explain to Tricia Helfer that wood stove heat isn’t technically renewable unless you burn the wood at a rate slower or equal to the rate at which it grows? I would volunteer, but the bridge of my eyeglasses hasn’t broken and been patched with tape yet.
January 19th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Well RDM does have a history with a show where a wormhole played a prominent role, so Starbuck’s original ‘death’ could have been her getting sucked into the past through a wormhole — then causing the destruction of the original earth. Perhaps they’re all caught is some inescapable time-loop.. like that episode of star trek the next generation where they keep colliding with a ship; except over many thousands of years. i suppose that would also make it like the matrix with its many generations.. etc.
I like this theory, but Lee witnesses Starbuck’s ship explode, so that would be kind of cheesy if the explosion happened and yet Starbuck and her ship remain intact and get sucked through the wormhole to crash on a Cylon popluated Earth, which starts the war which leads to an exodus of survivors to Caprica and the colonies. Plus the Starbuck who comes back believes she’s the same as the one who exploded which doesn’t make sense.
Cylon hybirds have been cryptically saying “this has happended before and will happen again,” something that helps the timewarp-loop theory. I’m inclined to think the last Cylon is Starbuck, b/c of all of the crazyness, but if it turns out all of the people in the colonies were Cylons and there were no humans left and it has just been Cylons fighting Cylons, then BG will go down in history as the best show on TV or cable ever created.
January 19th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
I was thinking it was going to be Lorne Greene. Huh.
January 19th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Rob @ 9, no offense, but I really hope that your scenario is not the case because it’s a legitimately awesome concept but would basically be a spoiler if true.
Kara can’t be the 12th Cylon because a bunch of RDM interviews have stated that 12 is Ellen. Kara might still be wrapped up in Cylon history, but saying simply that’s the final Cylon would be a relatively low-key explanation by the standards set in that episode — I get the feeling that she’s got at least another major twist coming that goes above and beyond STARBUCK IS A CYLON OMG.
January 19th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
The entire setup brings to mind the quip about how much it cost to keep Gandhi in poverty. That kind of “sustainability” is only possible if you’re really well-off in the first place, presumably from selling non-sustainable goods and services.
Don’t get me wrong: I think her house is cool and I applaud her concern for the environment but it strikes as very much like MY to think that any of this has anything to do with “policy.”
January 20th, 2009 at 4:13 am
I don’t mind the Ellen = Six theory, but it would be a bit odd if one, and only one, of the Seven came from Earth.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:24 am
I guess I’ll take a moment and nerd-out with everyone and offer my casual BSG thoughts.
I always thought that they’d find Earth post-apocalyptic, although I wasn’t sure whether it’d be in a time-frame close to our own or in the distant past/future and I didn’t think it’d be colonized by Cylons. (Actually, around a year ago, I jokingly told a friend that they would find Earth today, January 20, 2009, and that the Cylons would arrive to destroy us at about 12:01 PM and all the right-wing nutjobs would be saying “I told you so” about the danger of our new “half-breed muslin” president; I still supported Lee Adama over Tigh-Roslin in November). But with the Starbuck subplot, I am leaning towards the theory of a super-advanced race of Cylons and/or humans/”gods” manipulating events with the intent to either assure the cycle continues and civilization survives or end the cycle once and for all. Anyone familiar with the original show will remember the extremely advanced humans with seemingly mystical powers in the bright white ships who secretly assisted the Colonials on their way. They were thought of as “angels” of a sort, but were just evolved humans. A version of them could be behind events in the new BSG. I don’t think we’ll be seeing Edward James Olmos moving coins with his mind like we did Lorne Green , but who knows? This would make more sense than the half-assed time travel/spatial anomaly Star Trek-thing that BSG has tried to avoid.
Either way, it will be frakin’ dark and, probably, frakin’ sweet.
January 21st, 2009 at 2:57 pm
So, who wants to be the one who has to explain to Tricia Helfer that wood stove heat isn’t technically renewable unless you burn the wood at a rate slower or equal to the rate at which it grows?
Maybe she could grow more than one tree at a time.
January 21st, 2009 at 3:20 pm
My guess:
Two thousand years ago, Earth was advanced enough to send colonists into space. These colonists founded the 12 colonies. Back on Earth, technology had progressed to the point where humans who died could have their consciousnesses translated digitally into artificial bodies, sort of a more advanced version of cryogenics people who have themselves frozen at death. There was some kind of ongoing war on Earth. Soldiers for the warring parties used this technology to keep fighting, which gets you Cylon bodies in war armor, which look like Centurions. Finally, the war on Earth went nuclear, killing everyone. For some reason, only five Earthlings managed to get downloaded to new bodies. These five go off in search of the colonials. The only way for just five people to make the trip was with the assistance of an artificial intelligence, which made the other seven, newer model Cylons. How the final five got integrated with the humans and the seven ended up somewhere else with their mythology is not too difficult to explain from this starting point.
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