Dec 4th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Neo-Hooverite Republicans
A clever coinage from Josh Marshall. Why didn’t I think of that sooner (or this)?
55 Responses to “Neo-Hooverite Republicans”
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December 4th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Oh come on, surely he’s not claiming it as his own coinage. I saw him footnote the phrase to you long ago, and it’s since entered the vernacular of the left blogosphere. Do we have to credit Atrios every time we say ‘wanker’? LGM every time we make a crack about ‘all internet traditions’?
December 4th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Nobody cares that you think you coined the term. Google shows other people using it before you.
December 4th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
MY has a plan for everything. That is what makes reading him so funny. He cannot seem to appreciate that the world is a product of many thousands of generations’ worth of evolutionary adjustments, compromises, and innovations that he could not possibly hope to know about…nor can he imagine that there is any situation—no matter how remote or complex—that his own little mind cannot improve.
December 4th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
It’s a beautiful phrase. Let it flower. Don’t be bitchy about it.
December 4th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
The phrase sucks. I endorse “market brutalism.”
December 4th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Don’t you want people to start calling balanced budget fanatics neo-Hooverites in order to discredit them discredit them? Isn’t that the whole point?
Wouldn’t that be infinitely better than people saying “so-and-so Republican, who Yglesias calls a Neo-Hooverite…” every time?
December 4th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Robber barons. Vampires. Neo-Hooverite. Same pain.
December 4th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
If you really wanna get mad check out Harold Meyerson explaining it like it’s his idea in the Post yesterday: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/02/AR2008120202938.html?hpid=opinionsbox
If yer peeved at Marshall, than the Meyerson-explains-it-all edition ought to have you calling his office and asking for a cut.
December 4th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Awesome!
This is what happens when a Democrat gets elected. Without Bush in the picture, they have to attack their own!
more like this, please.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
File this one under “Whining,” Yglesias.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
I’m filing this under “credit where credit is due,” and in this case, credit goes to Matt. In fact, when I read Josh Marshall’s post, I assumed he was referring to the term Matt had previously used.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Mrrrow! Hissss!
December 4th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Grow up, you baby. Who cares if someone uses that term? Is your ego that fragile??
December 4th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Let’s look at this logically. The Republicans are committing similar stupidities to the people known as Hooverites. However, these people are not the original Hooverites, they are revised, contemporary, versions. You might say that they are “new” Hooverites..in fact, NEO Hooverites. Providing that people are looking in the right places, it does not strain credulity to suppose that more than one blogger in the blogosphere could come up with that term, right?
Now, who are these people? They are Republicans. Hence, they are Republican Neo-Hooverites.
Forgive the toxic doses of sarcasm, but this does seem like a pretty small thing to complain about. It took you, what, a whole instant to “invent” the new term?
See you at the patent office.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Looks like someone forgot to take their Midol this morning.
December 4th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Was this already tagged under “whining” when Minderbender suggested it should be? Or did Matt actually read the comments and then add the tag?
December 4th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
The “whining” category was there all along. So, you know, chill out people, Matt’s not trying to abuse the intellectual property system or whatever.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Why does eveyone act like Hoover was a laissez-faire free-marketer?
He was an inflationist who believed that the government should act in a downturn to prevent wages from falling.
Yes, he was largely responsible for how long the Great Depression was. But not because he was a free-marketer.
And also let’s remember that when he decided to become a “budget hawk” he wanted to do so largely by raising taxes on the rich.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Neo-crybaby, that one I claim as mine. So, nobody repeat it without giving me credit. Seriously, I will be watching…
December 4th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Y’know, Josh has included you as a “TPM Approved Site” since time immemorial. I wonder how much traffic has been directed from TPM to you these last several years? You could be a little less stingy with your imagined intellectual property.
December 4th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Neo-Hooverism began in 1929. See http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=884.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:51 am
Seriously? C’mon Matt, I like reading your blog. Don’t make me think you’re a total dick.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:54 am
OMG BLOG WAR
December 5th, 2008 at 2:36 am
@Bob Violence — HAHA Yglz got pwned by an intellectual superior!
December 5th, 2008 at 2:46 am
So basically, lacking any real insight into the financial situation, and having shown an utter disdain for acquiring actual knowledge about the current mess, you’re content to nibble at the edges snarking about terminology. Don’t ever change, Yggles. Don’t ever change.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:11 am
Damn matt, you have been getting more and more arrogant lately. Give it a rest once in awhile, I’m sick of hearing how great you are and how your insights are somehow super special. A little bit of swagger is good, but recently you’ve been going overboard.
December 5th, 2008 at 4:29 am
Wow, you were totally humiliated by LanguageLog, and rightfully so. This whole little episode pretty well summarizes this blog. Derivate blabbering about pretty much anything that passes under your nose with no genuine insight.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:10 am
Why not Neo-Mellonists? Melons for short. As in “liquidate stocks, liquidate real estate, liquidate the farmers, liquidate labour. It will purge the rottenness out of the system. People will work harder and live more moral lives”.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:42 am
Whoever gets credit for it, Neo-Hooverism is the next self-inflicted wound that the Republicans are going to inflict on themselves on their journey to extinction. When the economy really starts tanking toward double-digit unemployment, neo-Hooverism is going to look pretty preposterous.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Why not Neo-Mellonists? Melons for short. As in “liquidate stocks, liquidate real estate, liquidate the farmers, liquidate labour. It will purge the rottenness out of the system. People will work harder and live more moral lives”.
You know, Mellonism worked pretty well in 1920-1921. I wonder what wou;d have happened had it been tried in 1929-1933.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:52 am
no need to be pissy about it.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Hey Matt,
Next you’ll be claiming dibs on the words “the” and “a” and bitching if anyone else uses them.
Seems like an excellent way to impoverish the language of words. You use it once or twice, no one else is allowed to use it. Who are you? Disney? Going to change copyright law?
I don’t care who used the word first. All I want is an expressive word that I can use and others understand. Words don’t belong to anyone. They are part of the “commons.” That’s the nature of language. So get off your high horse.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Matt, why are you being such a dotnose?? This post is ozay!
December 5th, 2008 at 10:38 am
“Neo-Hooverite” is hardly a unique and clever phrase requiring copyrighting. He was a U.S. president famed for his lack of economic acumen, not some figure only an erudite type would know. Good god, you can be petty and peacockish sometimes.
December 5th, 2008 at 10:53 am
There’s nothing more bracing first thing in the morning than to read a parade of self-important haters completely miss yet another of Matt’s jokes. Thanks, folks, I’m ready for the day.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:02 am
I think it might be more correct to describe this point of view as Neo-Mellonite, after Hoover’s treasury secretary who famously said as the depression was gathering steam,
December 5th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Neo-Wilsonite. Hey, I coined a phrase. It’s mine, damnit! Don’t you dare use it without attribution!
Neo-Rooseveltian. Hey, I coined a phrase. It’s mine, damnit! Don’t you dare use it without attribution!
Neo-Trumanite! Neo-Kennedyite! Neo-LBJian! Neo-Nixonite! Neo-Carterite! Neo-Reaganite! They’re mine, damnit, all mine, I tell you! Stop using them without permission, or I’ll throw a conniption on my blog, so everyone can see what a whiny little snot I am!
December 5th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Like, wow, how absolutely Web 1.0-ish. Perhaps we should have APA citations thrown into the mix, he noted pedantically
Synonyms: pedantic, academic, bookish, donnish, scholastic
These adjectives mean marked by a narrow, often tiresome focus on or display of learning and especially its trivial aspects: a pedantic writing style; an academic insistence on precision; a bookish vocabulary; donnish refinement of speech; scholastic and excessively subtle reasoning.
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March 31st, 2009 at 12:57 pm
NEO-HOOVERITE?
How quickly the Left forgets… or wants you to.
5.) Hoover was a committed progressive even before becoming president
As Secretary of Commerce, Hoover proposed a Federal Department of Education (did not pass), advocated fifty-cent/month pensions for citizens over the age of 65 (did not pass), created an anti-trust division in the Justice Department, canceled leases by private oil companies on Federal lands, and expanded civil service coverage of Federal positions.
4.) Hoover favored high taxes and wealth re-distribution.
As President, Hoover signed the Revenue Act of 1932, raising personal income taxes to 63% (from 25%) and establishing a corporate tax of 13.75%. The personal income tax had been cut down to 25% in the highest bracket prior to the Depression, and Hoover re-raised it to fight budget deficits.
3.) Hoover didn’t advocate laissez-faire
Hoover rejected Treasury Secretary Mellon’s “leave it alone” approach, organizing the National Credit Corporation for banks to save each other and Reconstruction Finance Corporation to give $2 billion in aid to state and local governments and made loans to banks, railroads, farm mortgage associations, and other businesses. He also approved the Federal Home Loan Bank Act, aimed at new home construction and reducing foreclosures. Sound familiar?
2.) FDR and Garner accused Hoover of being a socialist
Ironically, FDR (in 1932) accused Hoover of “reckless and extravagant spending,” further accusing him of having the idea that “that we ought to center control of everything in Washington as rapidly as possible,” and of leading “the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.” Further, ‘Cactus Jack’ (John Nance Garner, FDR’s first VP) stated that Hoover was “leading the country down the path of socialism”. (credit Otto Friedrich’s “FDR’s Disputed Legacy, TIME, for the quotes)
1.) FDR’s programs came from Hoover
New Dealer Rexford Tugwell once remarked that “practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started.”
Example: Hoover signed the Emergency Relief and Construction Act, an early predecessor of the Works Project Administration, as FDR used the ERCA and the RFC to expand the New Deal.
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