
SOFA and security pact pass Iraqi parliament — US forces will leave by 2011 and the only sense in which it isn’t a fixed timetable is that they might leave sooner. Days ago I read something relevant that I strongly disagreed with on the Abu Muqawama counterinsurgency blog:
Regardless, at no point were either Sen. McCain or Sen. Obama key players in future U.S. policy in Iraq. In fact, either of them was going to inherit a course — negotiated by the Iraqis and U.S. policy-makers in Baghdad — that might or might not have looked anything like what they wanted to do. It was Sen. Obama’s good luck that his vision of a future U.S. presence in Iraq looked a lot like the vision of the Iraqis.
It’s not luck that liberals’ vision of a future U.S. presence in Iraq was closer to Iraqis’ vision than was the vision of America’s neo-imperalist camp. Rather, liberals’ take on the matter has always been informed by both awareness of actual Iraqi public opinion (which has been hostile to the American presence since at least 2004) and to the folly of empire more broadly. It’s not a coincidence that when you look at the annals of counterinsurgency “success” stories — Kenya, Malaya, etc. — the success looks pretty equivocal and the occupying power winds up leaving in the end.
Had out policy not been dominated by foolish dreams of a US-dominated Iraq, we could have extricated ourselves with honor and dignity over the course of 2005 — declaring victory at the formation of the post-Saddam Iraqi government. Instead, we pursued a bloody and costly alternative course for years before, eventually, even the war’s keenest proponents came to recognize the realities of of the situation.
November 27th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
The Iraqi Parliament would still have been debating the agreement 8 months from now if the terrorist attack in India had not shocked the shit out of the Shites.
November 27th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Or, as the NEw York Times would say, Shaken Shites Shun Shallow Shackles of Shabby, Shadowry Shahs.
November 27th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
In comparing Iraq to Kenya and Malaya, you suggest that we ought to consider our counterinsurgency success in Iraq an “equivocal” success, because we will eventually end up leaving. But this misses the fact that no serious sector of American polity ever wanted to remain in Iraq long-term, in large numbers, as its own strategic end– only as means to allow Iraqi government the opportunity to get on its feet.
By contrast the objective in Malaya and in Kenya, in the beginning, was to remain suzerain for at least the medium-term, to preserve the U.K.’s dwindling influence in the world. Eventually the British Conservatives realized that Communism was a greater threat to the British way of life than the loss of its Empire, and the Emergencies in Kenya and Malaya became more about securing the respective regions against Communism (a strategy which involved giving Kenya and Malaya independence) than it was about securing it for British influence (a strategy which did not).
In the latter part of each campaign, the British goals resemble the American ones, but not in the beginning. That’s why there was a pervasive sense of failure following the Mau-Mau Rebellion and the Malaya Emergency, and why there will not be one following American withdrawal from Iraq.
November 27th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
We can only hope troops leaving Iraq don’t wind up in Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Iran.
November 27th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Aaron L. Connelly, are you trying to be funny? Or is your humor accidental? There is, in fact, a sector of the American polity that wanted to be in Iraq forever. They are called the Republican Party. Now, if you meant that the Republicans aren’t a serious segment then I guess you have a point. But otherwise, you are either joking or engaged in a major re-writing of the entire Iraq misadventure.
November 27th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Had out policy not been dominated by foolish dreams of a US-dominated Iraq, we could have extricated ourselves with honor and dignity over the course of 2005
And in an alternate history world — would our ’success’ in Iraq have kept Republicans in control of Congress in 2006? And in turn, would complete Republican control of government as the economy swirls down the toilet have led to even more Dem gains in 2008?
Or would not wasting hundreds of billions in a fruitless war over the last three years have given Hank Paulson more manuevering room and ameliorated the downturn?
November 27th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Thanks Evil Twin at #5, I was thinking the same thing. Wha…?
By the way, I’ve read that the Republican Party will be spending more on Internet outreach…
November 27th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
US forces will leave by 2011 and the only sense in which it isn’t a fixed timetable is that they might leave sooner.
Key assumption: SOFA is not re-negotiated between now and 2011.
November 27th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
“Had out policy not been dominated by foolish dreams of a US-dominated Iraq, we could have extricated ourselves with honor and dignity over the course of 2005 —”
Matt could finished the sentence with “we could have decided not to invade at all in 2003″. But he didn’t.
November 27th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
…Iraqi public opinion (which has been hostile to the American presence since at least 2004)
At least…
November 27th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Had out policy not been dominated by foolish dreams of a US-dominated Iraq, we could have extricated ourselves with honor and dignity over the course of 2005 — declaring victory at the formation of the post-Saddam Iraqi government. Instead, we pursued a bloody and costly alternative course for years before, eventually, even the war’s keenest proponents came to recognize the realities of of the situation.
This is an absolutely perverse statement, Matt. “Honor and dignity”? In what world can you possibly be living? In 2005, global and domestic opprobrium of the war were raging, the Abu Ghraib trials were taking place, the refugee crisis and civil war were picking up pace, and the verdict on the war as a moral and political catastrophe was already taking shape.
November 28th, 2008 at 10:22 am
But this misses the fact that no serious sector of American polity ever wanted to remain in Iraq long-term, in large numbers, as its own strategic end– only as means to allow Iraqi government the opportunity to get on its feet.
That’s simply not true. The architects of this war were talking about the need to provide permanent bases in Iraq to replace those we were leaving in Saudi Arabia back in 2002. John McCain asked “Why not 1000 year? Why not 10,000?” because he envisioned, as he spelled out clearly on his web site, a permanent American military presence that would allow us “project power” throughout the Middle East.
November 28th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
“We can only hope troops leaving Iraq don’t wind up in Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Iran.”
They will. Obama has already promised that.
As for the likelihood of the agreement changing:
THE ROVING EYE
Bush comfortable on the SOFA
By Pepe Escobar
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JK26Ak02.html
November 29th, 2008 at 10:27 am
If our country was not led and populated by gibbering imbiciles we wouldn’t have invaded in the first place.
Once that moronic decision had been made, and the Iraqi sand-castles kicked over, extracting ourselves became a much more delicate proposition.
The idea that a 2005 withdrawal could have been handled with ‘honor&dignity’ is a convenient fantasy for those who would rather focus on the mishandling of the wars aftermath than the initial decision to got to war.
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