
Paul Krugman writes:
A magnificent victory for Barack Obama. And bear in mind that the campaign, in its final stages, was really about different philosophies of governing. This wasn’t like the 2004 campaign, which was essentially fought over fake issues — Bush running on national security and social issues, then claiming that he had a mandate to privatize Social Security. In this election, Obama proudly stood up for progressive values and the superiority of progressive policies; John McCain, in return, denounced him as a socialist, a redistributor. And the American people rendered their verdict.
Now the work begins.
I think that’s right and it’s part of what I had in mind when I disputed the notion that John McCain’s campaign was somehow even more slimy than previous conservative efforts. The whole socialism, welfare, redistributionist, appeaser schtick certainly had its ugly side, but it did also have some real ideological content. A high-tone policy argument? No. But it wasn’t just a series of random insults directed at Barack Obama, it was a clear claim that Obama’s political views were too liberal whereas Obama argued that McCain offered a continuation of Bush’s conservatism. And the voters chose the liberal path.
Ezra Klein thinks back to late 2004 and early 2005:
I do remember that. I also remember how Democrats had to get religion if they ever wanted to be competitive again. I also remember how they had to appeal to the white heartland by nominating candidates more culturally recognizable to rural voters. Instead, they went in the opposite direction, running a candidate who was recognizable to the majority coalition Democrats hoped to have in 10 years. It seems to have worked out pretty well. It’s almost as if pundits don’t really know what they’re talking about.
Mostly I think it’s a reminder that events matter. By 2006, the consequences of conservative governance were clear to a majority of the public, who registered their displeasure at the polls. But the lame-duck conservative president and a filibuster-happy conservative minority in the Senate blocked efforts to take the country in a substantially new direction. Two years later, the consequences of conservative governance and of conservative obstruction were even worse. So the public has once again expressed its displeasure at the polls. The vehicle — an unlikely candidate with an uncanny talent for political oratory and organizing who didn’t fundamentally rethink the nature of the progressive agenda but did help sharpen public demand for change into an effective political movement for change.
That gets you . . . an opportunity. If progressive ideas, when put into practice, work as we think they will work — which is to say, if they work well — then we should expect to see that reflected in future election results. But if our ideas fail, as conservative ideas have failed, then victory can turn into defeat incredibly quickly, just as Karl Rove’s dreams of an enduring Republican majority have now melted away into nothing.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:43 am
YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!
November 5th, 2008 at 12:53 am
YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!
Or……NO YOU CAN’T!!!!!! Economic and political reality is going to intrude rather quickly, I suspect. The LA Times is already busy lowering expectations:
A “down payment” on health care. Doesn’t sound too promising. And it wasn’t a terribly ambitious plan to begin with. Obama’s energy plan may also be in trouble:
November 5th, 2008 at 12:53 am
Obama — excuse me, President-Fucking-Elect Obama — is the first one since Reagan to be elected after running as an up-front example of his party and its philosophy. Bush I had “kinder and gentler”, meaning not-Reagan, and Bush 43 was a “compassionate conservative”. Clinton didn’t have such a slogan but he let it be know that he was a “New Democrat”, willing to execute and cut back on the welfare. But here’s Obama, a real live no-kidding Democrat, and hey! he just won.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:56 am
FWIW Chuck Todd just started the mandate talk.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:00 am
And now it’s only 77 more days before we get a new resident of the White House…Somehow that feels like all too long.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:03 am
I also remember how they had to appeal to the white heartland by nominating candidates more culturally recognizable to rural voters. Instead, they went in the opposite direction . . . .
Well, see, that’s just wrong. I don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand, but Obama learned how to appeal to the “white heartland” in the form of Downstate Illinois under the mentorship of the late Paul Simon. His ability to package that “heartland” appeal with a pragmatic version of progressive policies (and, admittedly, some excellent timing) is why he crushed McCain in the Upper Midwest, and generally ran strong (for a Democrat) in rural areas.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:06 am
I suspect Obama’s going to get about as much of his agenda through as Reagan did. The question is whether he’ll be able to spin partial fulfillment into a myth of total victory.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:10 am
Matt, tell us what it means for them to work well? What unemployment rate will be a success for Obama? What kind of growth in median wages? What kind of poverty rate? What budget deficit? What level of public debt? Put some markers out here, so we know what you mean by success, won’t you? If the numbers look like the first Bush administration, will you admit that Obama’s a failure?
November 5th, 2008 at 1:13 am
First Bush administration numbers would represent a substantial improvement from the current situation, wouldn’t they?
November 5th, 2008 at 1:16 am
Alan, Matt believes the first Bush administration was a failure on economic policy, so why would those levels of performance be acceptable now?
November 5th, 2008 at 1:19 am
First Bush administration numbers would represent a substantial improvement from the current situation, wouldn’t they?
Would they? Do you have the numbers?
November 5th, 2008 at 1:22 am
Indeed, Obama and his organization have given us an opportunity, let’s help him turn the opportunity into reality. We don’t need to be utopians, but we do need to be creative, passionate and believe in the progressive imagination, because in a way the story of freedom and America IS the progressive imagination, and this could be an epic new chapter in that legacy, if we do everything we can to apply the tools available to us, network the available intelligence, engage fully our creative imaginations in navigating through these turbulent waters, while never forgetting that compassion must always accompany reason, or what is it all for?
November 5th, 2008 at 1:23 am
If Obama really was anywhere near as progressive as the Republicans made him out to be I would be quite enthusiastic at his winning. However, I suspect far from enacting a progressive agenda Obama will simply put forward more conservative ideas, which, thanks to the extremely radical nutsos we laughingly refer to as the Republican party will be implemented as more welfare for the wealthy, if they are implemented at all. Granted, I am relived McCain did not win as that would have been utter disaster, but with the direction I expect Obama to take the country in all I am really expecting is disaster delayed for a while more. That’s just not something I find I can get very enthusiastic about.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:35 am
I just want to point out:
At Matt’s old site, fuckwads like Tim K and Cal spent god knows how much time and bandwidth putting forth “arguments” that Obama was “unelectable” because he couldn’t win working-class white voters, or whatever. Well, fuck the fuck out of you fucking fucks. You were wrong. WRONG. Eat it.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:43 am
The New York Times is on the expectations-deflating trail now too:
November 5th, 2008 at 1:44 am
Walter Brueggemann:
November 5th, 2008 at 1:49 am
There’s nothing hard about closing Guatanamo. It takes an order.
He voted for the budget he’s “inheriting”, so I don’t see where he can complain about it. And if one thinks $1 trillion is a big deficit, wait til year 2.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:57 am
A progressive agenda? Sure. But that’s in part because the entire country has shifted to the left on economic policy, and even though Obama’s disposition is to build consensus, the new center is further left than it was four years ago, or even one year ago.
The political center of the country, including much of the business and investment community, wants economic stimulus. The political center of the country wants infrastructure investment. The political center of the country wants an energy plan. Those are the priorities, and I expect to see Obama get to work on them right away by getting an economic team in place quickly. I agree with others that we are likely to see a more piecemeal approach on health care until the overall fiscal and macroeconomic pictures are stabilized, and set on a more promising course with action on the large public investment projects that will build jobs and wealth, and stimulate a sick economy.
Given that the economy was by far and away the dominant issue on voters’ minds today, I thought it was notable that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were the first policy issues Obama mentioned tonight, especially since the war issue was de-emphasized in the closing weeks of the campaign. My conjecture is that Obama has recently developed a renewed appreciation of the importance of winding down Iraq, as he has huddled with transition advisers over the past several days. And the main reason? We needs the money! To achieve the level of short and long term public investment and stimulus that will be called for without raising taxes on those to whom a tax cut was promised, and without blowing up an already huge deficit, we’ve got to stop flushing money away in Iraq.
The Rahm Emmanuel talk isn’t making me too happy. Obama needs to build consensus and invite broad discussion, and I don’t think a noted vindictive bastard and partisan hatchet man is the way to go.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:59 am
Matt, where is your prop 1 thread? It is at 51-49 with 35% reporting.
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/props/59.htm
November 5th, 2008 at 2:04 am
Dan, the idea that our decisions about Iraq have important consequences for the budget is just fanciful. I mean, I know it’s a good applause line on the campaign trail, but it’s stupid. We’re going to spend, what? $3.3 trillion next year, and you think the $120 billion in Iraq is the difference maker?
That $3.3 trillion in spending is going to come on a revenue base of a little over $2 trillion, by the way. And now that our income inequality problems have been solved, the idea that we can find lots of money by taxing the rich must disappear too. (You have noticed that folks on Wall Street are losing their jobs haven’t you?)
November 5th, 2008 at 2:05 am
Here’s a recent New York Times piece describing some of the issues with closing Guantanamo. Quote:
November 5th, 2008 at 2:13 am
Tom DeLay said tonight the Nancy Pelosi will be running the country next year. I certainly hope so. Congress will likely be much more progressive than Obama.
We have some really sweet majorities on Capital Hill, who aren’t as committed to bipartisanship as Barack Obama. Reid won’t need to please Chambliss and Cornyn to satisfy his self-image as conciliator.
Clinton got his head handed to him by a Democratic Congress. I hope Obama has the sense to take his orders in private.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:13 am
Get your lard-ass, fact-deprived, perma-troll, basement dwelling-exurbian no-life shit-stain self on the motherfucking bus, motherfucker.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:18 am
There is no motherfucking bus, you illiterate, toothless, shit-pantsed pisshead.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:25 am
As you had blogged about it before, just wanted to draw your attention to the exit poll numbers from the Deep South.
Regarding the allegations from the Right that whites don’t vote on race:
Louisiana, President-elect Obama earned 95% of the Black vote, Senator McCain 85% of the White vote, this in a state that reelected Democrat Mary Landrieu.
Alabama: 98% of Blacks forPresident-elect Obama, 88% for Senator McCain
Mississippi: 98% and 88% again
Georgia: 98% and 74%
Texas: 98% v. 73%
South Carolina: 96% and 73%
Outside of these states you get numbers more in line with non-race based voting.
I encourage you to bring this to Ross’ attention the next time ya’ll are discussing the contours of the conservative coalition.
Congratulations and have a great night!
November 5th, 2008 at 2:25 am
PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA JR.!!!!!!!
I’m so happy today; but also deeply aware of the burdens which we must carry now. This is not an end, but only a beginning. This is our moment to reclaim the American Promise–or to lose it forever.
May god grant us the wisdom and the strength to do the work that needs to be done.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:38 am
Matt, where is your prop 1 thread? It is at 51-49 with 35% reporting.
Looks like it’s going to squeak through. Now all you have to do is get the legislature to appropriate the $10 billion, raise another $30 billion from the feds and the private sector, satisfy all the other conditions laid down in the proposition, get environmental approval, win all the lawsuits that will be filed against the project, and you can start building the thing.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:56 am
The bus is waiting for you. Every assertion you’ve ever made has been refuted. Every lump of shit you’ve pulled from your ass has been laughed at.
You are nothing. Get on the bus, motherfucker. Even worthless shitstains can ride.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:58 am
We’ve been on a long, winding road since 1776, and a new leg has begun. Hard, hard work is ahead. Too many forces are still arrayed against us, seeking to hold the human heart, mind, hope down. Yet tonight we feel a surge of momentum, a push from the roots, for new growth, for transformation, for liberation on a more inclusive and complete scale.
These are the grand ideals, the continuing story, the beautiful manifestation of reality that is the emergence of humanity, of the liberation of humanity, of America, the dream of freedom, love, trust, security, creativity – yet right here, right now, we have the struggle closer to our time and place, the immense challenges before us that have become even more immense with the inattention and negligence of those who came immediately before us, challenges we should have no fear to face and overcome.
We are in the midst of another renaissance, born from the chaotic and ominous conditions facing our nation and world today. We have an explosion in connectivity, information sharing, knowledge, and awareness, developments that have no precedent in the life of humanity, along with fresh insights into physics, complexity, psychology, and learning, new avenues of political participation and financing resulting in the beginning of actual universal political enfranchisement, partially reflected in these electoral results tonight.
I want to congratulate Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and their campaign team, and embrace Obama, Biden and their administration to come. In these storied times, with these storied changes, amidst these immense movements in place, time and mind, I am confident that we have leadership that is up to the challenge, that is willing to embrace all the tools that are available for leadership and governance, that will openly and passionately embrace the application of intelligence, honor, reason, and compassion to address the great challenges of today, and the trajectory of these challenges into tomorrow, and to do so with full transparency and accountability to those who have elected them.
And let us not forget there are malignant forces throughout the world operating to injure us, to intimidate us, to commit violence upon us. We must defeat these forces, and without hesitation put them on the retreat, not only with our powers of imagination and positive example, in terms of liberty and freedom, reason and compassion, productivity and wealth creation, but through the rule of law and application of justice, such that there will be no sanctuary for those who would prey upon another, who would commit violence for the achievement of any aim short of imminent self-defense, who would extinguish hope, imagination and creativity in the human heart, because this is our destiny on this long road we’ve tread, as this torch has been passed, to protect and cultivate that which is most dear to us.
We must also not lose focus on the work we need to do at home, to perfect our union here, to root out corruption and cronyism, to return the government of Americans to Americans, to open the way wider for innovation and entrepreneurialism, to make essential services for the well-being of citizens more widely accessible – health care, education, transportation – and finally get down to the most serious task that science and ecology have laid before us, the ultimate task – to be stewards of the earth not only in our time for our generation, but in respectfully considering the generations ahead, the environment and beauty that will be present for our children, and their children, for only as sound ecological citizens will we continue to be gifted the resources to accomplish all the great things we are accustomed to accomplishing, as well as all the great things we can accomplish in the future, some we cannot even imagine, that will be left for our children and their children to dream and realize.
Please forgive me for my indulgence.
Mahalo.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:01 am
The bus ain’t there, you shit-for-brains hillbilly. You killed it.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:42 am
“And now it’s only 77 more days before we get a new resident of the White House…Somehow that feels like all too long.”
It might be.
The impending strike on Iran
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JK01Ak02.html
Guy has a point – except that he’s totally wrong about “Obama will never attack Iran.” Obama has already said that he WILL if Iran does not give ALL enrichment and centrifuges.
And more:
Brace yourselves – George Bush will soon be free to do just what he wants
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/29/usa-bush-syria-elections
November 5th, 2008 at 3:58 am
Fink has his head up his butt, Bush’s balls are already in the cabinet with the nuclear buttons, he can’t unilaterally do jack anymore, except in direct self-defense.
November 5th, 2008 at 4:00 am
Richard, a correction in the ink article:
It cannot go through a period of inflation without its economy collapsing.
I think that Fink meant to say deflation here, considering the context.
November 5th, 2008 at 4:08 am
The bus is rolling over your whale-blubber belly, Mixy no-friends, it’s just that you won’t feel it for another few hours.
So when it finally registers in your subatomic brain that everything you hold precious has been exposed as lies, you’ll be getting on the fucking bus, motherfucker.
November 5th, 2008 at 4:35 am
Hey MY, re: Coleman/Franken, what do you think about third party votes NOW?
November 5th, 2008 at 4:51 am
Y’know what I used to enjoy? When comments included hyperlinks to point us to articles that expanded on a commenter’s point.
I think it’s the sort of technology that would increase the odds of a comment being read, rather [geez,] than [how] quickly [long] scrolled [is] over [this?].
November 5th, 2008 at 6:45 am
“But it wasn’t just a series of random insults directed at Barack Obama, it was a clear claim that Obama’s political views were too liberal whereas Obama argued that McCain offered a continuation of Bush’s conservatism. And the voters chose the liberal path.”
Which is why he – and the Democrats – will have no excuses as their theories run into reality. The failure of Bush was his tendency towards big statism – we’ll now see that tendency taken to heart by Obama and the Democrats. When it doesn’t work out very well, the blame will be pretty clear.
Oh, and on cap and trade – when the price of electricity under that scheme sky-rockets, the swing voters who were angry at Republicans will be directing their anger at Democrats.
November 5th, 2008 at 6:56 am
Bush’s plan for GOP dominance was based upon winning a war. Iraq was the chosen venue. A clear cut victory would cement the ideal of a muscular US sitting on top of the world. It would have worked politically in the US. The weak wavering pacifist Democratic
All of Rove’s machinations were secondary. Bush went for the home run, if he knew it or not.
Historians will argue if the US could really have won Iraq in the sense of it being a real state that was relatively stable and not hostile to the US. What is inarguable is that the way it was done was doomed to failure.
November 5th, 2008 at 6:59 am
Clearly this massive electoral victory by one of the most liberal Democratic candidates in our nation’s history represents a dramatic embrace of conservatism by our nation’s voters.
November 5th, 2008 at 7:43 am
Re: I suspect Obama’s going to get about as much of his agenda through as Reagan did.
Reagan got the lion’s share of his agenda (tax cuts, more deregulation, a defense build-up) accomplished– just about everything he was truly serious about. I’ll be quite happy if Obama enjoys that much success.
November 5th, 2008 at 8:30 am
Two, maybe three, SCOTUS appointments.
Ending the US military occupation of Iraq.
Overturning Bush administration environmental policy.
Raising the marginal income tax rate on incomes over $250,000.
More federal investment in science, alternative and clean energy.
Replacing cronies with competent federal employees.
Obama will accomplish the lion’s share of that agenda.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:27 am
I suggest that the left in general will end up disappointed in Obama, for the simple reason that the expectations set for him are ridiculous. Those who look for salvation in politics end up being disappointed, and way, way too many people on the left seem to be expecting miracles.
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