Guns Up!
My former roommate Kriston Capps and I used to like to play the ESPN College Football game for Xbox. He would always play as Texas because he went to Texas. Harvard’s football team couldn’t really stand up against those guys, so instead I liked to play as Texas Tech to screw with him. Ever since, I’ve considered myself a Red Raider fan. What’s more, Michael Lewis’ excellent New York Times Magazine article about Tech’s unorthodox offense is really fascinating and makes me want them to succeed.
So naturally it was with great pleasure that I watched the Texas / Texas Tech game alongside Mr. Capps gleefully celebrating as the Red Raiders rode to victory. But he assured us that Oklahoma would prevail over Tech in their matchup, thus sending the Raiders back into the pack where they belong. But no! It seems href=”http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/09tech.html?hp”>Tech won, meaning they’ll hold on to their number two ranking.
At any rate, one interesting aspect of Lewis’ article is the point that college football is a self-perpetuating oligarchy. Unlike in the pros where a bad season gives you access to good draft picks, in college the best recruits want to go to a good program. For Texas high schoolers that means Texas or Texas A&M with Tech left to clean up amongst the scraps. Thus even if Leach’s offensive methods really are superior, he’s still working at a recruiting disadvantage and still left behind in the competition. But a very strong season for Tech could change things, either causing other programs to take a closer look at his system, or else causing recruits around the state to look more kindly on the prospect of four years in Lubbock.
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November 10th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
State. Oklahoma State.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Right. They beat Oklahoma State (which probably most people expected, but not that they would beat them so badly.) They still have to play Oklahoma, and I think most observers are still expecting them to lose that one – it is on the road, which the Texas and Oklahoma State games were not.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Matt’s buddy surely meant Oklahoma, and Tech has yet to play them. They go to Norman in two weeks.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
I read that NYTimes article on Mike Leach a few years ago. I dug it up shortly after seeing a ESPN sportscenter feature of Leach shooting tennis balls at his wide receivers at high velocity to improve their hands. He’s very outside the box. Fascinating stuff. He’s also one of 5 NCAA head coaches to have never played college football.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
A&M hasn’t been very good since Dat Nguyen was there.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Spend four years in Lubbock? Have you been to Lubbock? I work at TT – the place is okay, but most of my students refer to their four years as prepaid time in purgatory.
That being said, at the moment the school is going insane with the wins. They feel they’re finally getting the credit they deserve.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Yeah, OU is bound to win that game in a couple of weeks. As a Big XII fan (Mizzou) I’d love to see them win outright, but I just don’t see it. The most interesting part about TT, Texas and OU, is if OU beats Tech there will be a threeway tie for first in the South Division of the Big XII. I don’t know how they decide who plays in the title game, but no matter how they do it, I’m sure it will work out in OU’s favor. And then they’ll go on to crush the Tigers, go to the BCS title game and meet the wrath of one Timothy Tebow.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
One thing working against the self-perpetuating oligarchy is the idea of playing time. Go to Florida State, and you ride the pine. Go to Marshall and be a star for four years.
This used to be a harder sell before the age of easy access to satellite television. Who would want to play for Marshall? If you have dreams of going pro, you need scouts to see you. And not that many scouts were making their way to Marshall.
But TV seems to have at least partially democratized access to scouts and… to exposure on ESPN. Which matters.
Today, you can watch any team and any player you want. At home. Hell, I remember in the mid 1990s when there was basically NO WAY to watch a Steelers game in New Haven Connecticut. Same is true at the college level. What’s also true is that this kind of exposure can make kids understand the differences between the conferences and their playing styles.
Ah, technology.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Sam M has a point. The WAC has been televised on Friday afternoons a few times this season already, and with Boise State still afloat for the BCS the conference may get still more exposure. The WAC!
November 10th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
speaking of Texas football, I found out over the weekend that the TV series Friday Night Lights is filmed at the school and stadium where I played middle school Texas football a long long time ago. I thought that was cool, and I thought Lewis’ article was interesting when I saw it, but I don’t follow football all that much.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Michael Oriard at Slate on why the college football oligarchy and its causes: http://www.slate.com/id/2203927/
November 10th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Leach isn’t doing himself any favors when it comes to recruiting when he has his best NFL star prospect in Michael Crabtree running crossing routes and getting hammered a dozen times a game and having him limp off the field and show off his bum ankle over and over again.
I haven’t had more fun watching college football in a long time than watching the last two Texas Tech games. Well, Stanford beating USC last year was something else, but that’s different.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Yes, Tech has yet to beat OU, but they have beat Texas who beat OU. If nothing else, they’ve clearly differentiated themselves from the Yellowjackets and Hokies, thus allowing them to earn the nickname “tech” over VA and GA.
The real reason I’m posting is to call out Ivy leaguers for hating on their football. Yes, it sucks. Ivy League football hasn’t been good for a long, long, time.
But you have football! Most ivy leaguers, if they hadn’t gone to the league, probably would have ended up at a liberal arts college in the northeast. Let me tell you something about football at northeastern liberal arts colleges: it doesn’t exist (my alma mater Haverford’s motto, according to alum Dave Barry: Undefeated in Football since 1972). Ok, I guess Amherst and Williams play a game every year or something, but for the most part, liberal arts college football is a thing of the past.
So, stop complaining about the fact that you had the option to walk down the street and tailgate and cheer like other college students, even if the football sucked. You had football!
November 10th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Neville,
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?PRINTABLE_PAGE=YES&ATCLID=1546006&DB_OEM_ID=10410“>See if you can work your way through this. It looks like it comes down to #5, BCS ranking.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
So naturally it was with great pleasure that I watched the Texas / Texas Tech game alongside Mr. Capps gleefully celebrating as the Red Raiders rode to victory.
You weren’t disgusted and chagrined by the inferior level of play in comparison to the NFL?
November 10th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
More likely scenario if Leach succeeds: he leaves Texas Tech to go to opening with more prestige, tv time, and money. This is another way the oligarchy is perpetuated.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
One problem with college football, though, is that the one of the bigger schools that’s hit a rough patch can easily snatch up a good coach like Leach. And then it’s back to the basement for them.
Oh well, at least Harvard has a football team. Neither my undergrad (Caltech), nor my grad school (Cal Poly Pomona), nor my hometown university (Long Beach State) even *have* football teams. On the other hand, my high school alma mater is perennially one of the best schools in the country, currently ranked #5 nationally.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
@Jeremy Pober:
Texas played 4 top-10 teams in a row. Texas was actually expected by the CFB experts to drop 2 of those 4. Instead, they only dropped the last one, on a last-second touchdown drive. Not blaming the loss on this because Texas played pretty terribly, but they did have some injury issues following that rough schedule.
Anyway, all this to say that just because Tech (barely) beat a not-very-good Texas team that had beaten Oklahoma earlier in the season does not mean that Tech will automatically beat Oklahoma.
@Neville:
For the three-way tie to happen, Oklahoma has to beat Tech and then OSU. Basically, there are 5 levels of tiebreakers, but none of them would break the tie this year, so it comes down to who is ranked higher in the BCS. Given the computers models’ love for Texas based on their strength of schedule, it will probably be Texas in the Big 12 conference championship. (Again, this is only the case if Oklahoma beats Tech and then OSU — if they beat Tech and lose to OSU, then it’s only a two-way tie between Tech and Texas, and Tech holds the tiebreaker.)
November 10th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
There’s still a recruiting challenge for schools with a non-traditional offense, because top players could be hurting their NFL draft prospects by going there. NFL teams like to draft players from schools with pro-style offenses, since they’ve spent their time learning pro-style offensive skills and they’ve demonstrated that they can play well in a pro-style offense.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
I actually don’t see Leach leaving Tech. For one thing, he loves the school and the city (don’t ask me why). He has free reign over the entire program (something he won’t get at a more prestigious school). The Big 12 is definitely on the rise as a whole. He’s got quite a few quality recruits coming in. Of course, all that might be moot if there was a team and situation that was a significant step up from Tech with an opening this year — but I don’t see one at all. Mayyybe Clemson because his offense would absolutely demolish the ACC, but… it’s only Clemson.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
I would go further and say that, outside a handful of programs, a move outside the Big 12 or the SEC would not be a promotion for Mike Leach. The only exceptions would be Ohio State and USC, and those programs don’t look to be hiring head coaches anytime soon.
The only way Leach moves is if one of the current elite (e.g., Pete Carroll, Nick Saban, Bob Stoops) decides to try his hand in the NFL (again in the cases of Carroll and Saban). Or possibly the NFL calls Leach up (as an offensive coordinator). Otherwise, there really isn’t anywhere for Leach to go.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
If Moneyball taught me anything, it’s that Michael Lewis comes from the same school of writing as Malcolm Gladwell — he takes full license to distort, exaggerate and mislead to construct his narrative (stopping just short of inventing facts).
Take anything he writes, especially about sports, with a heavy grain of salt.
That said, Tech’s offense is damned cool, but they win because they have the talent to run it, not because it’s a secret formula for success.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
@Neville: true, but no one expected Tech to be undefeated up until the Texas game anyway. Also, I think a lot of the overrated claims are from OU fans who would back off if they’d beaten Texas, a result completely independent of anything Tech did.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Some points:
1. Tech has leapfrogged A&M in terms of prestige. There’s not even really a question about it. Tech can recruit better than the Aggies any day of the week, at least right now.
2. Leach is an evil genius, but the knock against him has always been an inability to win the big game. This year, as predicted in the preseason, he seems to have the horses to run with the big boys. Oklahoma will be a major test, however, because road-Tech is different from home-Tech, and because OK arguably has a better front 7 (though more like a front 5 or 6 against the Tech spread) than Texas and def. is better than Ok. State.
3. One wouldn’t think Leach would leave Tech. But, this is the last year of his contract, and no extension has been forthcoming. His name always pops up in national hiring discussions, which is usually a sign that his agent is putting his name out there. I don’t think he should leave tech, but he and perhaps even the Tech administration have other ideas. If he goes anywhere (that’s open right now) it would probably be Clemson, where he would be competing with the perennially mediocre South Carolina in-state, and would have such powerhouses as Duke and North Carolina in N. Carolina, i.e. he’d be situated to own recruiting in that area. We’ll see.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
1) Fuck you, Matt. I have friends from grad school who went to a vast assortment of Ivy League schools and thus had no fun in college, but they’re good people and good friends, so they pull for the Longhorns. Just goes to show you that all journalists are self-obsessed assholes who see every event in life as an opportunity for self-glorification and a chance to delight in the agony of their so-called friends. I say so-called because everyone knows that sociopaths have no capacity to love and car for other people.
2) Tech has been crushing A&M in recruiting for some time now. How do you think they end up with a beast like Crabtree if they’re supposedly losing recruits to A&M and eating the 4th chance scraps after UT, OU and A&M? Between that comment and the OK State confusion, you’ve embarrassed yourself with your obvious dearth of knowledge on the subject of Big 12 South football. My Ivy League grad school friends also have the good sense to check with me first before they pretend to an expert on the subject.
3) If you want to read a real article about why college is way cooler than the pros in terms of competition check out the slate article from last week: http://www.slate.com/id/2203927/. The first game my freshman year at UT we got beat 66-3 by UCLA (who sucks now) and were bowl ineligible with something like 4 wins on the season. Miami (sucks now), Michigan (sucks now) and Florida State (mediocre now) were the top programs in the country. USC sucked. Ohio State sucked. This was 10 years ago.
Plus college is the laboratory where all the coolest football experiments are conducted. Look at how a college coach goes to the pros, blows out the Pats with the Wildcat, and now all the pro teams are running single wing sets. Leach himself is the one person most responsible for the current popularity of spread offensive schemes.
In summary, you are wrong about everything and suck as a person.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
the point that college football is a self-perpetuating oligarchy
College football is the closest thing in American sport to the world’s soccer leagues. Crazy loyalty, vicious rivalries, a bunch of bandwagon teams.
Still, as others have said, while the college game is fun for crazy playbooks and unorthodox offensive strategy, you do find draft picks from Poodle Scrubber College that end up better fits in the NFL, where there’s less room for dicking about.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Al,
Yes, there is the Tenn. opening. As a fan of college football, I’d love it… as an Alabama football fan, I’d be terrified. But Tennessee is a very traditional school, and I really can’t see them buying into Leach’s madness. No question it’s a promotion in terms of money and program size. Maybe it’ll happen.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Possibly. The Great Coaching Carosel is spinning hard this year as Washington, Syracuse, and Clemson are all on the hunt for a new coach. I wouldn’t be surprised if another big program goes out for a coach (Auburn perhaps?). One thing I wouldn’t wager on is the coaching searces.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
That being said, that inequality is one of the reasons that Michael Lewis was interviewing Mike Leach. It’s not just the underdog story, though those are always appealing. It’s that the unequal nature of high school and collegiate athletics breeds innovation. If Coach Leach tries to compete against University of Texas with a power running game he’s going to lose. Every. Time. He needed to develop a system that was innovative and dynamic enough that it could even the odds against teams stacked with highly recruited high school talent.
A very similar story from high school football can be found in the New York Times’ story on the A-11 offense here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/sports/football/17offense.html
Cross post with some more stuff here:
http://imunaware.blogspot.com/2008/11/on-college-football.html
November 10th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
One of the reasons schools like Miami, Clemson, Tennesse, or Nebraska are having harder times is that they have less ability to switch players to other positions. In the old days, a school like Texas recruited two quarterbacks every year but would convert at least one to a different position. Even Michael Crabtree played quarterback in high school. These days players will transfer instead of switching from wide receiver to defense back.
The biggest programs are supported by hangers on who have no connection to the univeristy other than supporting the football team. Texas Tech is a good football school but does not have hangers on. I would say that no school in Texas has hangers on like Alabama, Georgia, Florida, or Tennessee has.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Success in college football is mostly driven by whose alumni will reach deepest in their pockets, whether for above-board donations to build state of the art temples of weightlifting or for the keys to an Escalade.
I don’t know much about Texas Tech, but I would guess that its success this year is due to a combination of Coach Leach’s innovations over the last decade combined with getting the kind of recruits who can win the big games. The rise in the price of West Texas Crude over the last five years has meant that Texas Tech alumni have the surplus cash to allow Texas Tech to finally play in the big leagues of recruiting.
November 10th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
4 years in Lubbock will likely never become preferable to four years in Austin unless UT gets the death penalty or something. Clearly Matt has never been to Lubbock, a west Texas outpost situated in a dry county. Not an attractive college atmosphere even if you are a football BMOC.
November 10th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Ironically, Steve Sailer is apparently the first person in this thread who knows what he is talking about. College football programs are all about money. Who has the money? Then you can hire good coaches and have nice facilities and this ultimately leads to winning and a recruiting advantage and thus more winning. Sometimes programs decide to try the more efficient route of just paying players directly, but since this doesn’t line the coffers of numerous intermediaries, the NCAA doesn’t like it. Of course, if you’re really lucky, like Texas, one of your biggest donors is also the owner of the Texas Rangers. So he can draft your recruits and give them a decent paying job as a minor league player while they play football for your program. Which is 100% legal.
For a program to build themselves up takes years of establishing the requisite donor base. Not exactly an easy feat.
November 10th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Actually, Tech’s offense isn’t all that “unorthodox” any more — countless teams run “The Spread” or some variation of it.
The thing is, despite the sudden fascination with it, “The Spread” isn’t even all that new — it’s essentially the old Run-N-Shoot with a standard running game (vs. one based on draw plays) and fewer go routes (the pass patterns are more similar to the West Coast offense).
Kentucky used to run a similar system (but with more focus on swing passes and bubble screens) in the late 90s, and even Buffalo ran it a bit with the “K-Gun” offense back in the early 90s.
Why Leach gets credit for inventing it seems odd. Don’t get me wrong — the way he coaches it is definitely unique, and he’s certainly made it popular. But some act as if he came up with it all by himself. He didn’t.
One thing that won’t happen is for it to take over the NFL. The Chiefs are running a scaled-back version — mainly due to need, as Tyler Thigpen ran it in college and has done real, real well the past few weeks since they put it in — but there’s no way it can take over like other offenses have. There’s simply too great a chance of getting a QB killed, and the faster LBs and tendency for man coverage in the NFL make it a lot harder to run effectively.
(Sorry for the thesis… some of you get all policy wonky with transportation and urban planning. I’m a football wonk.)
November 10th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Sorry … Meant to type: Places other than Kentucky, ran a similar system in the late 90s. Leach coached at Kentucky, so “duh!” they’d run it.
My fault.
November 10th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
4 years in Lubbock will likely never become preferable to four years in Austin unless UT gets the death penalty
literally
November 10th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Not enough has been made of the fact that MY confused OU and OSU. It’s especially egregious since he did so to mock his friend and even posted the box score to the wrong game (or at least that’s what I assume the screwed up link is to). Epic failure on all fronts.
November 10th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
a couple of things, and apologies for any repeating.
1. while the masked rider is nice, the double T is the better logo to go with.
2. leach’s contract isn’t up after this year, but thet are going to try and extend him this off season.
3. it’s both the system and the players this year.
4. we definitely are above a&m right now in terms of recruiting.
5. texas was picked to perhaps lose to OU, but not the rest.
6. tech was supposed to finish 10-2 tops.
7. Leach passed on UCLA, so i don’t see the likes of Tenn, WU, or clemson moving him. The SEC is not football mecca, hub city could be leach’s holy land.
8. it would be the biggest victory in school history to beat OU, and if we do i’ll tempt fate and buy tickets to the national championship game.
9. Lubbock is pretty bad, but tech is great.
10. Wreck ‘em Tech!
November 10th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Looks like MSB @26 still is crying into his corn flakes every morning over the Texas loss. At least he has some wonderful friends to get him through this rough period!
November 10th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
That’s crazy. UCLA ain’t Tennessee – football ain’t even the biggest sport at UCLA. They certainly don’t have 100,000+ regularly show up for UCLA football games.
my point was that he could have had a chance at the second best gig in the pac 10, so why would he take the fourth or fifth in the SEC? the best bet to get him would seem to be clemson, as with the right recruits he could win the ACC in two years. Tenn just lost to wyoming. it seems like a bird in the hand situation.
November 10th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Leach didn’t pass on UCLA, at least not formally. He was never offered (sadly coming from a UCLA fan), as he was supposedly too quirky for the administration here, plus he already makes 1.8 million (in Lubbock!).
And I like the Tennessee fan making cracks about UCLA football, especially this year. Nice.
November 10th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
UCLA has a policy of not offering big bucks for a college coach. UCLA probably won’t go over 1M/yr with the current AD. On the other hand, I could imagine Tenn or similar offering up 2-3M/yr. UCLA is a tough job b/c you are competing with USC head to head, and USC has every advantage.
November 10th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
my point was that he could have had a chance at the second best gig in the pac 10
I don’t know if UCLA football is the 2nd best gig in the pac-10. Over the last 5-10 years, I think a number of Pac 10 schools have been better than UCLA. Heck…even Stanford’s been to the Rose Bowl more recently than UCLA, not to mention BCS appearances by Oregon St., Wash. St., and UW.
November 10th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
apologies and agreements kosmonautbruce.
November 10th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Matt: Tech’s recruiting woes (when they have them) aren’t prestige related, they’re Lubbock-is-nowhere-and-also-seven-hours’-drive-from-somewhere related. It’s a tiny town in the middle of nowhere that smells like a stockyard (because of, you know, the stockyard).
November 10th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
From the Times article, here’s Leach on Texas A&M Corps of Cadets:
November 10th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Lubbock is the third largest town in the Big 12.
(See Wikipedia article on Big 12)
November 10th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
lubbock might be the 3rd biggest but it is literally 5+ hours from any other town of any size. its also a dry county, so that gives you a clue to the cities night life. there is a reason tech is a party school, and that is because there really isn’t much choice. but i do love that crazy place. i won’t go back except for the football games, but i do love it. one guy’s is the best.
November 10th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Wow, a college football thread, how exciting! First, this is a wonderful year for supporters of a playoff system. #1 Alabama plays #4 Florida for the right to move on while #2 Texas Tech and #3 Texas jockey for the final spot in the Championship game. Thank you Iowa!
Second, Florida had never won the SEC until Steve Spurrier was the coach in 1991. It takes more than rich alumni to create and sustain an atmosphere of winning. Schools in Florida, Texas, and California will always have the advantage of a deep pool of in-state recruits. We’ll see if Leach can build the program. It helps him tremendously that no school in the Big 12 plays defense.
Third, the SEC is football mecca. Get over it. Any school that brings cow bells to a game can’t be taken seriously. Tennessee is a much more prestigious football school. I think Tenn is looking at Butch Davis at UNC. That said, I’d stay at TTech even if offered the Tenn coaching position because of the recruiting advantages.
Fourth, Urban Meyer’s spread offense is much more advanced than Leach’s. Meyer led Utah to an undefeated season, Florida to a national championship, and Tim Tebow to the Heisman. Florida will crush Texas Tech if they survive Oklahoma. Urban Meyer is a complete coach. Mike Leach is closer to Steve Spurrier or Mike Martz. He is an offensive guru.
Fifth, Go Gators! Tebow is God. The team from the Big 12 that I don’t want to face is Oklahoma. Still love Stoops. He’s easily the best coach in the Big 12.
November 10th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Back in the late 1970s, when the price of oil went up, so much money flowed into recruiting football players for the old Southwest Conference (8 Texas teams plus Arkansas) that almost every school in the conference except Rice ended up on NCAA probation. Ultimately, the conference was so tainted by the orgy of oil money-powered cheating that the SWC went extinct, with the better schools absorbed into the Big 8 (now Big 12) and the less powerful football schools into the WAC.
SMU, which had been an also-ran for decades, got so much money that it wound up with two future Pro Bowl running backs, Erick Dickerson and Craig James, sharing the ball in the same backfield. SMU got the death penalty for cheating so bad they had to give up football for a few years.
The Texas economy isn’t as oil-dependent now as back then, but there’s a fair amount of oil business in northwest Texas.
November 10th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Steve,
The oil money of which you speak produced exactly 0 national championships for the SWC. In fact, over it’s history, the only SWC schools to win it were Texas A&M (1939) and Texas (1963, 1969, 1970 split w/ Nebraska). So I’m not sure what your point about the oil money is.
Also SMU, Rice, and Houston all now play in Conf.-USA.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Kentucky used to run a similar system (but with more focus on swing passes and bubble screens) in the late 90s, and even Buffalo ran it a bit with the “K-Gun” offense back in the early 90s.
Why Leach gets credit for inventing it seems odd. Don’t get me wrong — the way he coaches it is definitely unique, and he’s certainly made it popular. But some act as if he came up with it all by himself. He didn’t.
He gets credit for it because when he and Hal Mumme were at Div. II Valdosta St in the early 90s, they basically came up with this version of the spread, and then they brought it to Kentucky, who you noted. It made Tim Couch a #1 draft pick (ha!).
November 11th, 2008 at 2:12 am
The real Oklahoma is coming up this week, and this should be the game of the year, at least outside the national championship game, if that doesn’t resolve into a farce by then. Tech obviously has the guns to beat Oklahoma, while the Sooners are straight dominating people so this one is going to be dramatic.
November 11th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Jimm:
The real Oklahoma is coming up this week, and this should be the game of the year, at least outside the national championship game…
I think adherents of Florida and Alabama might beg to differ with you.
Tech obviously has the guns to beat Oklahoma, while the Sooners are straight dominating people
a) What about Texas? OU lost to them 35-45; it was in all the papers.
b) I wouldn’t call beating KU 45-31 in Norman “dominating”, or if so, what would you call the 63-21 drubbing TT administered the following week at KU’s homecoming?
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