It takes a while for the conservatives in the crowd to get “on message” here, but they come up with a chant that I think could catch on at McCain-Palin rallies nationwide:
The part where they just hell “terrorist!” a lot is nice, too.
I think stuff like this is basically the cherry on top of the proof (which is composed of a lot of the events of the past 8 years, and even further back, to Bill Clinton’s problems) that liberals really need to get on top of making sure this country becomes a lot less stupid (that’s to say, all you’ve seen before– if you’ve been paying attention to the news– should have been enough to convince you already, but things like these recent incidents from the McCain camp, the media, and McCain supporters should *really* convince you).
It’s definitely encouraging that Barack Obama is going to win this race.
But there is so much stupidity in this nation, that we still have a long way to go, and a lot of very important things are still in pretty grave danger. What’s worse, we’re certainly still in danger of the Republicans taking back the popularity we’ve taken from them, after a while, if we don’t change the country.
Say, if there are any MSM reporters around (who haven’t left due to MattY’s TP commenters), I have a message for you.
No doubt Matt has a modest MSM following, but most likely they don’t read the comments and they sure as hell don’t respond to your troll-whoring with click-thrus.
Hey Matt, you could actually refer to your time at Harvard in a constructive way by weighing in on this little mini-storm out in Seattle re: Darcy Burner’s degree from Harvard:
It looks like a scene from a conflict zone, trying to host their first election. Or maybe Zimbabwe. Talk about voter intimidation!
American elections have much more in common with those that generally come with international monitors than ones in mature democracies. Registration lottery? Check. Different systems from county to county? Check. Partisans in charge? Check.
I’m a bit naive and part of me thinks that some of these people will come around after Obama becomes president when they realize that he is not about to nuke Israel and while rounding up all the white people in America into concentration camps. Will they think, “Hey, maybe this guy isn’t the radical muslim arab terrorist we thought he was!”.
MS- definitely not. This is what team McCain/Dumbass have done: if he wins, there will be millions of Americans who think there is a terrorist Muslim in the White House.
I’m not a liberal, but if I were, I wouldn’t be mocking these guys; rather, I’d be saying that stuff like this just shows you the pressing need for improved public education in rural areas. There’s nothing so pernicious about this stuff; these guys are just ignorant. Like blacks who think the government created HIV.
Don’t you mean, “There’s nothing as pernicious as this stuff?
And given that it’s Republican surrogates, spokesmen, and candidates who are feeding the supporters these lines to claim at these rallies, I do think that it is a special, unique problem that the Republicans have to deal with.
I’m not a liberal, but if I were, I wouldn’t be mocking these guys; rather, I’d be saying that stuff like this just shows you the pressing need for improved public education in rural areas.
The idea that you could educate them out this is very liberal. I have very illiberal thoughts about their worth and potential for growth.
No, nothing so pernicious about this stuff. These people simply are terribly uninformed about (a) what Obama’s religion really is, and (b) Islam. With a requirement in a national curriculum that all high school students learn that Islam isn’t exclusively a faith of terrorists and suicide bombers, but rather is a perfectly respectable religion, with no more history of violence committed in its name than Christianity, a lot of this goes away. It’s like the proverbial redneck who thinks Jews like me have horns in the back of their heads. It’s not even bigotry, just misinformation. Now, granted, the campaign has tried to take advantage of this sentiment, but what campaign wouldn’t? I guarantee you that if Axelrod were running a campaign against a black guy with an Arabic middle name, he’d find ways to take advantage of the ignorance in the electorate. And probably much more clever and subtle ways.
The idea that you could educate them out this is very liberal.
The conservative POV on this issue is that voters, to a large degree, make personal and moral choices about what they believe. You can’t educate someone out of the ignorance one chooses. For the Republican activists to behave differently, there would have to be a moral and cultural change within the Republican party itself. Many of these activists likely arrived at their beliefs precisely because they resented attempts at presenting them with “curriculum that all high school students learn that Islam isn’t exclusively a faith of terrorists and suicide bombers.” No doubt for some of them, screaming these things or indoctrinating those talking points to the screamers is their own personal method of “sticking it to the [educated] man.”
There’s no educational solution to a spiritual problem, Asher.
The idea that you could educate them out this is very liberal. I have very illiberal thoughts about their worth and potential for growth.
It is a little too pie in the sky, but note that every time someone’s caught on video doing this crap, it’s usually someone poorer-looking, white, and living out in one of those precious God-fearing small towns that Palin loves so. Whereas at that Northern Virginia rally that Matt posted video of, there was just the one bigot, and he got shouted down by a bunch of affluent-looking McCain supporters, some of whom were Muslim. And at the rally I attended in an affluent suburb of Philly, there was nothing like this at all (although I’ll tell you, the reporters at the rally went out of their way to chat up the angriest and most senile-looking people in the crowd – which wasn’t hard, everybody there was on the verge of dying). So from the little evidence we have, this sort of stuff does appear to correlate with income, which correlates with property values, which correlates with how good your education is. So I do feel that, perhaps, if education was better in the exurbs and rural areas of America, you probably would see less crap like this. Though as a conservative, I should probably say that this all comes down to good parenting, and being involved in the right faith-based groups.
No doubt for some of them, screaming these things or indoctrinating those talking points to the screamers is their own personal method of “sticking it to the [educated] man.”
But that’s circular, they wouldn’t want to stick it to the educated man if they were educated. People only resent the educated because they’re uneducated themselves.
I was listening to Democracy Now today, and hearing some breakdown of why Bush ‘04. was a fraud. I’d be sympathetic if I hadn’t have been laid off that year and took a job as a UPS driver helper for UPS. Before I had that experience, Bush people were a certain class of small business owners and yahoo’s as far as I knew. I couldn’t figure out why Republicans could keep winning the district when everyone I knew hated them.
When we headed out to redneck land there were pictures of Bush stuck up in windows of trailers and ramshackle shacks out in the country and I kept running into a picture of Bush stuck up in the picture window like he was the Ayatollah and I was in a Lebanese slum.
If you actually educated these people they wouldn’t be republicans and they would never win elections.
Asher -
If you continue to make these ridiculous, “rational” arguments, they’re going to ban you from RedState and Free Rethuglic. Forever!!1!!11
However, if you decide that it’s more important to be part of that “In” crowd, you can remedy the situation by following 24Ahead’s example of writing stuff which appears to be in English, but makes no sense in any plane of existence. Or, you could smash your head into a brick wall about 37 times.
That being said, relative to your comments on education: it’s interesting that the Republican elites want to suppress voting by “the masses” (e.g. Paul Weyrich’s thoughtful commentary). Since they’ve probably reviewed the statistics, they know that higher levels of education apparently have a correlation with higher preference for the Democratic Party. So why would they try to keep the masses away? (Hint: it’s primarily the darkies that get the treatment).
Asher -
Joking aside: you may be the first self-described conservative commenter I’ve read who actually writes thoughtfully. Although the pearl-clutching shriekers of the right can be amusing (in the sense of “I can’t believe anyone actually believes that shit”) to read, I’d much rather read your stuff.
By the way, one correction to one of your earlier comments: everybody knows that Jews have horns in the front of their head, not the back.
The enemies of America are those who hiber hate and separtism in their hearts and who pit one group against another when we all come from the one same Source which shines on us all, good and bad, and when the blood in each of us is red, the symbol of the inner man and our oneness. These dividers who pit class against class, race against race, straight against gays are the real enimies of America — the enemies within.
“The journey will be difficult. The road will be long. I face this challenge with profound humility, and knowledge of my own limitations. But I also face it with limitless faith in the capacity of the American people. Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment – this was the time – when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals. Thank you, God Bless you, and may God Bless the United States of America.”
Obama’s Nomination Victory Speech In St. Paul June 3, 2008.
“Obama is a LightWorker – an Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being”
Did you notice the “Asian-American for McCain” sign? I have to say that if McCain is going to break out the specific minority group signage (and no doubt position those few who carry them behind the candidates at the rallies), it may do something to combat the widespread and not inaccurate view that McCain/Palin rallies look sort of like this.
How do the McCain/Palin organizers get this redneck rabble to show up for these rallies, anyway? Do they raffle off roadkill, or pay them $10 per missing tooth? Most of these ignorant morons look like they’ve appeared drunk and shirtless on “Cops.”
“If you actually educated these people they wouldn’t be republicans and they would never win elections.”
I couldn’t agree more!
IMHO, the greatest problem the United States has is that a vast number of Americans have been under-educated and overly propagandized to the point it is doubtful many are even aware of what their country actually stands for anymore. I don’t know how you correct a situation in a republic where ignorance is rewarded and inhibiting open discussion of issues is seen as patriotic.
October 22nd, 2008 at 7:23 pm
i think you’re on to something matt. this one could go virall.
I also like the youtube comments. Here’s the first one: “First time i am watching some people standing against Prophet Obama followers. well done. ”
Yes, this is in reference to fundies at a Sarah Palin rally.
October 22nd, 2008 at 7:27 pm
i got to say the chant is oddly mesmerizing.
someone should make a music video.
October 22nd, 2008 at 7:29 pm
And I would turn around and say “Vote Hussein not McCain” The name “Hussein” is not something to be ashamed of .
October 22nd, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Didn’t watch it, but the script, er, I mean the transcript seems a bit strange. I think this article ties everything together.
Say, if there are any MSM reporters around (who haven’t left due to MattY’s TP commenters), I have a message for you.
October 22nd, 2008 at 8:03 pm
I think stuff like this is basically the cherry on top of the proof (which is composed of a lot of the events of the past 8 years, and even further back, to Bill Clinton’s problems) that liberals really need to get on top of making sure this country becomes a lot less stupid (that’s to say, all you’ve seen before– if you’ve been paying attention to the news– should have been enough to convince you already, but things like these recent incidents from the McCain camp, the media, and McCain supporters should *really* convince you).
It’s definitely encouraging that Barack Obama is going to win this race.
But there is so much stupidity in this nation, that we still have a long way to go, and a lot of very important things are still in pretty grave danger. What’s worse, we’re certainly still in danger of the Republicans taking back the popularity we’ve taken from them, after a while, if we don’t change the country.
October 22nd, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Just stay on target. Stay on target.
A rockin’ get out the vote video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOOUtOf1–M
Tune in, turn on, turn out.
dk
October 22nd, 2008 at 8:07 pm
We were just in Henderson a couple of days ago. Trust me, those white people yelling “vote McCain not Hussain” were the Henderson liberals!!
October 22nd, 2008 at 8:09 pm
It’s spelled “Hussein”.
October 22nd, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Latest poll shows race dead even. Big bad John will bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran on Jan. 21, 2009.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aly2vBIj2Cfk&refer=us
October 22nd, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Because I’m Australian, I don’t really understand how this happens.
It looks like a scene from a conflict zone, trying to host their first election. Or maybe Zimbabwe. Talk about voter intimidation!
Defenders of the free world my ass. Something really has to shift over there. I hope Obama can manage it.
October 22nd, 2008 at 8:37 pm
I guess you’re typing one handed then.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Didn’t Barack say his middle name is actually “Steve”?
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Say, if there are any MSM reporters around (who haven’t left due to MattY’s TP commenters), I have a message for you.
No doubt Matt has a modest MSM following, but most likely they don’t read the comments and they sure as hell don’t respond to your troll-whoring with click-thrus.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Hey Matt, you could actually refer to your time at Harvard in a constructive way by weighing in on this little mini-storm out in Seattle re: Darcy Burner’s degree from Harvard:
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9309
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:28 pm
It’s so weird that people think they’re accomplishing something by meeting up with people who agree with them and yelling at people who don’t.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:28 pm
It looks like a scene from a conflict zone, trying to host their first election. Or maybe Zimbabwe. Talk about voter intimidation!
American elections have much more in common with those that generally come with international monitors than ones in mature democracies. Registration lottery? Check. Different systems from county to county? Check. Partisans in charge? Check.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:41 pm
The modern Republican party since Nixon: Classy.
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:10 pm
The bullies at my high school were nicer than these people.
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:35 pm
I’m a bit naive and part of me thinks that some of these people will come around after Obama becomes president when they realize that he is not about to nuke Israel and while rounding up all the white people in America into concentration camps. Will they think, “Hey, maybe this guy isn’t the radical muslim arab terrorist we thought he was!”.
Now I’m starting to think maybe not.
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 pm
MS- definitely not. This is what team McCain/Dumbass have done: if he wins, there will be millions of Americans who think there is a terrorist Muslim in the White House.
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 pm
has* done
if Obama* wins
October 23rd, 2008 at 12:08 am
I’m not a liberal, but if I were, I wouldn’t be mocking these guys; rather, I’d be saying that stuff like this just shows you the pressing need for improved public education in rural areas. There’s nothing so pernicious about this stuff; these guys are just ignorant. Like blacks who think the government created HIV.
October 23rd, 2008 at 12:54 am
There’s nothing so pernicious about this stuff
Don’t you mean, “There’s nothing as pernicious as this stuff?
And given that it’s Republican surrogates, spokesmen, and candidates who are feeding the supporters these lines to claim at these rallies, I do think that it is a special, unique problem that the Republicans have to deal with.
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:21 am
I’m not a liberal, but if I were, I wouldn’t be mocking these guys; rather, I’d be saying that stuff like this just shows you the pressing need for improved public education in rural areas.
The idea that you could educate them out this is very liberal. I have very illiberal thoughts about their worth and potential for growth.
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:26 am
No, nothing so pernicious about this stuff. These people simply are terribly uninformed about (a) what Obama’s religion really is, and (b) Islam. With a requirement in a national curriculum that all high school students learn that Islam isn’t exclusively a faith of terrorists and suicide bombers, but rather is a perfectly respectable religion, with no more history of violence committed in its name than Christianity, a lot of this goes away. It’s like the proverbial redneck who thinks Jews like me have horns in the back of their heads. It’s not even bigotry, just misinformation. Now, granted, the campaign has tried to take advantage of this sentiment, but what campaign wouldn’t? I guarantee you that if Axelrod were running a campaign against a black guy with an Arabic middle name, he’d find ways to take advantage of the ignorance in the electorate. And probably much more clever and subtle ways.
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:33 am
The idea that you could educate them out this is very liberal.
The conservative POV on this issue is that voters, to a large degree, make personal and moral choices about what they believe. You can’t educate someone out of the ignorance one chooses. For the Republican activists to behave differently, there would have to be a moral and cultural change within the Republican party itself. Many of these activists likely arrived at their beliefs precisely because they resented attempts at presenting them with “curriculum that all high school students learn that Islam isn’t exclusively a faith of terrorists and suicide bombers.” No doubt for some of them, screaming these things or indoctrinating those talking points to the screamers is their own personal method of “sticking it to the [educated] man.”
There’s no educational solution to a spiritual problem, Asher.
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:35 am
The idea that you could educate them out this is very liberal. I have very illiberal thoughts about their worth and potential for growth.
It is a little too pie in the sky, but note that every time someone’s caught on video doing this crap, it’s usually someone poorer-looking, white, and living out in one of those precious God-fearing small towns that Palin loves so. Whereas at that Northern Virginia rally that Matt posted video of, there was just the one bigot, and he got shouted down by a bunch of affluent-looking McCain supporters, some of whom were Muslim. And at the rally I attended in an affluent suburb of Philly, there was nothing like this at all (although I’ll tell you, the reporters at the rally went out of their way to chat up the angriest and most senile-looking people in the crowd – which wasn’t hard, everybody there was on the verge of dying). So from the little evidence we have, this sort of stuff does appear to correlate with income, which correlates with property values, which correlates with how good your education is. So I do feel that, perhaps, if education was better in the exurbs and rural areas of America, you probably would see less crap like this. Though as a conservative, I should probably say that this all comes down to good parenting, and being involved in the right faith-based groups.
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 am
No doubt for some of them, screaming these things or indoctrinating those talking points to the screamers is their own personal method of “sticking it to the [educated] man.”
But that’s circular, they wouldn’t want to stick it to the educated man if they were educated. People only resent the educated because they’re uneducated themselves.
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:50 am
I was listening to Democracy Now today, and hearing some breakdown of why Bush ‘04. was a fraud. I’d be sympathetic if I hadn’t have been laid off that year and took a job as a UPS driver helper for UPS. Before I had that experience, Bush people were a certain class of small business owners and yahoo’s as far as I knew. I couldn’t figure out why Republicans could keep winning the district when everyone I knew hated them.
When we headed out to redneck land there were pictures of Bush stuck up in windows of trailers and ramshackle shacks out in the country and I kept running into a picture of Bush stuck up in the picture window like he was the Ayatollah and I was in a Lebanese slum.
If you actually educated these people they wouldn’t be republicans and they would never win elections.
October 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 am
Vote Hussein
NOT INSANE
October 23rd, 2008 at 7:53 am
Asher -
If you continue to make these ridiculous, “rational” arguments, they’re going to ban you from RedState and Free Rethuglic. Forever!!1!!11
However, if you decide that it’s more important to be part of that “In” crowd, you can remedy the situation by following 24Ahead’s example of writing stuff which appears to be in English, but makes no sense in any plane of existence. Or, you could smash your head into a brick wall about 37 times.
That being said, relative to your comments on education: it’s interesting that the Republican elites want to suppress voting by “the masses” (e.g. Paul Weyrich’s thoughtful commentary). Since they’ve probably reviewed the statistics, they know that higher levels of education apparently have a correlation with higher preference for the Democratic Party. So why would they try to keep the masses away? (Hint: it’s primarily the darkies that get the treatment).
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:07 am
Asher -
Joking aside: you may be the first self-described conservative commenter I’ve read who actually writes thoughtfully. Although the pearl-clutching shriekers of the right can be amusing (in the sense of “I can’t believe anyone actually believes that shit”) to read, I’d much rather read your stuff.
By the way, one correction to one of your earlier comments: everybody knows that Jews have horns in the front of their head, not the back.
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:23 am
These neanderthal freaks don’t deserve to live in the U.S. Their dark-age ideology is more akin to, say, Saudi Arabia or the Taliban…
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:11 am
The enemies of America are those who hiber hate and separtism in their hearts and who pit one group against another when we all come from the one same Source which shines on us all, good and bad, and when the blood in each of us is red, the symbol of the inner man and our oneness. These dividers who pit class against class, race against race, straight against gays are the real enimies of America — the enemies within.
“The journey will be difficult. The road will be long. I face this challenge with profound humility, and knowledge of my own limitations. But I also face it with limitless faith in the capacity of the American people. Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment – this was the time – when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals. Thank you, God Bless you, and may God Bless the United States of America.”
Obama’s Nomination Victory Speech In St. Paul June 3, 2008.
“Obama is a LightWorker – an Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being”
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/2008/06/obama-is-lightworker-attuned-being-with.html
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:19 am
But that’s circular, they wouldn’t want to stick it to the educated man if they were educated.
There’s a relevant maxim about leading horses to water and drinking that applies to my argument.
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:24 am
Did you notice the “Asian-American for McCain” sign? I have to say that if McCain is going to break out the specific minority group signage (and no doubt position those few who carry them behind the candidates at the rallies), it may do something to combat the widespread and not inaccurate view that McCain/Palin rallies look sort of like this.
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:38 am
Not anymore!
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 pm
How do the McCain/Palin organizers get this redneck rabble to show up for these rallies, anyway? Do they raffle off roadkill, or pay them $10 per missing tooth? Most of these ignorant morons look like they’ve appeared drunk and shirtless on “Cops.”
October 23rd, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Pffffffffff! I am glad that I chose to live in Canada not the United States!
If folks are this intollerant towards a respected US senator because his middle name is Hussein, what do they do to new immigrants?
October 23rd, 2008 at 2:57 pm
“If you actually educated these people they wouldn’t be republicans and they would never win elections.”
I couldn’t agree more!
IMHO, the greatest problem the United States has is that a vast number of Americans have been under-educated and overly propagandized to the point it is doubtful many are even aware of what their country actually stands for anymore. I don’t know how you correct a situation in a republic where ignorance is rewarded and inhibiting open discussion of issues is seen as patriotic.
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