Matt Yglesias

Oct 10th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

Marriage is So Gay

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As of 2004, Connecticut had one of the lowest divorce rates in the country, but I think that the Nutmeg state’s hetero couples will soon be feeling an irresistable urge to ditch marriage, since we all know that this sort of thing undermines our blessed institutions:

Same-sex couples won the right to marry in Connecticut in an historic ruling by the Supreme Court today. Citing the equal protection clause of the state constitution, the justices ruled that civil unions were discriminatory. In a 4-3 decision released at 11:30 a.m., the majority wrote that the state’s “understanding of marriage must yield to a more contemporary appreciation of the rights entitled to constitutional protection.”

In Massachusetts, of course, traditional family values were outlawed years ago. But I hear the legislature is now considering a proposal that would mandate that all men enter into a polygamous gay union with Bill Ayers at a mass-wedding ceremony performed by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.






32 Responses to “Marriage is So Gay”

  1. Freddie Says:

    God, this ruling was so gay.

    Proud of my state, by the way.

  2. Ingiro Says:

    Hoorah for a wee bit of good news!

    Any more info on when this will take effect? Will they honor Mass and Cali marriages? Foreign marriages?

    I was married this past April in Canada to my Croatian partner. And we need a greencard! When will we have Federal rights? That is what I want to know!

  3. chombajr Says:

    I hear the legislature is now considering a proposal that would mandate that all men enter into a polygamous gay union with Bill Ayers at a mass-wedding ceremony performed by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

    That sounds HOTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!

  4. Pform Says:

    This is wonderful news, but you now what I’m weary of? People using “gay” in a mock-pejorative sense.

  5. Andruw Says:

    As a MA resident, I can proudly say not a single legislator has lost a seat for affirming the SJC ruling on gay marriage, while several opposing gay marriage have lost.

    That said, how does Obama handle this? Given the craven campaign he is running, you have to figure McCain tries to use this in the ugliest possible fashion.

  6. fostert Says:

    “But I hear the legislature is now considering a proposal that would mandate that all men enter into a polygamous gay union with Bill Ayers at a mass-wedding ceremony performed by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.”

    Hopefully, they’ll include a clause that says Rick Santorum must marry his dog.

  7. Jeffrey Davis Says:

    Hopefully, they’ll include a clause that says Rick Santorum must marry his dog.

    I don’t think they’re still together.

  8. fostert Says:

    “I don’t think they’re still together.”

    Yeah, that’s probably true. His dog surely has better taste and has moved on to greener pastures. Poor Rick.

  9. sunsin Says:

    Hopefully, they’ll include a clause that says Rick Santorum must marry his dog.

    Only if they agree to start a family.

  10. Johanna Says:

    Now McCain and Lieberman can finally tie the knot.

  11. Mark Says:

    As of 2004, Connecticut had one of the lowest divorce rates in the country, but I think that the Nutmeg state’s hetero couples will soon be feeling an irresistible urge to ditch marriage…

    While it is fun to be snarky, we risk actually buying into our own reverse logic of why people think they way they do.

    Gay marriage is acceptable in Connecticut and Massachusetts because the divorce rates are low. People in these states are more likely to feel secure in their relationships.

    Gay marriage is unacceptable in the South because divorce rates are high and society seems very unstable. They are looking for stability where they can find it and see causes of instability everywhere they look.

    Until we line up cause and effect in the correct order we cannot address these issues seriously. I’m pro-stark in general, but not to the point of obfuscating reality.

  12. Hector Says:

    That ‘lowest divorce rate’ number is pretty silly. Northeastern states have a low divorce rate in large part because they have a low marriage rate. When you correct for the lower marriage rate, the fraction of marriages that end in divorce is statistically the same in the Northeast and the South. More people in MA and CT tend to cohabit in unmarried relationships than in Southern states, and people tend to marry later. Which is fine by me, but if you are a conservative Protestant or traditionalist Catholic it’s hard to see why you would think more cohabitation is better than more divorce.

  13. Glenn Says:

    Gay marriage is unacceptable in the South because divorce rates are high and society seems very unstable.

    No, gay marriage is unacceptable in the South because the people there are homophobic bigots. I know, because I am gay and grew up in GA. (I got better.) No need to overthink these things.

  14. Glenn Says:

    Oh, when I snarked “I got better” I meant, I moved to NY. Still quite gay, thank you.

    Great day in CT today.

  15. fostert Says:

    “Northeastern states have a low divorce rate in large part because they have a low marriage rate.”

    Well, you know that marriage is the number one cause of divorce, don’t you?

  16. fostert Says:

    “Oh, when I snarked “I got better” I meant, I moved to NY.”

    Not sure that moving to New York was such a good idea, but moving away from the South certainly was. Welcome to the modern world.

  17. Tyro Says:

    More people in MA and CT tend to cohabit in unmarried relationships than in Southern states, and people tend to marry later.

    Can you provide a reference for the claim that marriages in the northeast are just as likely to end in divorce as marriages in the south? Marriages made later in life tend to be less likely to end in divorce than marriages made at the age of 22. I find it hard to believe that a random marriage picked from the northeast is more likely to end in divorce than a random marriage picked from the south.

  18. AlanC9 Says:

    I’d be interested in seeing the statistics too, but Hector was off-topic anyway. The divorce rate came up because threats to marriage are supposed to produce certain behaviors, and divorce is disruptive to marriage in a way that people not getting married simply isn’t.

    I suppose someone might argue that cohabitation is such a threat too, but people in the Northeast don’t see it that way. That’s why we see so much cohabitation; nobody thinks of it as a big deal.

  19. AlanC9 Says:

    IOW, the real threat to marriage is people getting married who had no business doing it.

  20. Glaivester Says:

    I’d be interested in seeing the statistics too, but Hector was off-topic anyway.

    No, he wasn’t. Matt was implying that the low divorce rate of Connecticut (and presumably other Northeast states) was evidence that these states had much more stable family structures than the more traditional Southern states, and thus more liberal social attitudes led to more, not less stable families then do traditional ones. Hector simply pointed out that that was not really the case.

    The divorce rate came up because threats to marriage are supposed to produce certain behaviors, and divorce is disruptive to marriage in a way that people not getting married simply isn’t.

    To an individual marriage, perhaps, but as a society the position and importace of marriage is definitely threatened by large numers of people not marrying, particularly when they increasingly do things without marriage (cohabit, have kids) that used to be mostly restricted to married people.

    I suppose someone might argue that cohabitation is such a threat too, but people in the Northeast don’t see it that way.

    Considering the low rate of marriage in the Northeast, they obviously see it wrong.

  21. Hector Says:

    Alan,

    It’s true that divorce is certainly a much bigger problem than cohabitation, even to a conservative Christian. And if the cohabitations are stable, long-term and fruitful unions, as they often are in Scandinavia and some of the Latin American counries, it may not even be a problem at all. Nevertheless, if you’re a social conservative it would still be a problem. Delaying marriage, in the northeast, tends to lead to fewer children and fertility rates in the NE are certainly a little below what I would like them to be.

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