Apparently the GOP leadership is saying they couldn’t deliver their members’ votes because Nancy Pelosi have a “partisan” speech on the floor. The tough-guy Republicans got their feelings hurt, or something.
Krugman was right when he quoted D-squared saying good ideas don’t need a phalanx of lies.
They said the sky would fall in if there was no bill last week. The sky didn’t fall in. They were caught making stupid lies about the content of their plan, the reason the plan was supposed to work was changing and was different in private than in public.
At that point, according to D-Squared, you throw it out and make your own assessment and strategy from scratch.
It was a bad idea and it’s good that it was killed. Let Obama pass a well considered bill much later.
I don’t know what she said on the floor, but I’d bet it has more to do with this:
“Most recently, Nancy Pelosi called House Republicans–the ones who were representing American taxpayers in negotiating the Democrats’ bailout bill–’unpatriotic.’”
Which actually led John Hinderaker–who has said Jimmy Carter is “objectively on the other side”–to say “That would be completely out of bounds in polite society.”
Shades of Newt Gingrich and his temper tantrums.
Wingnuts are like the spoiled brats you see in a grocery store, Mommy doesn’t give that piece of candy and they throw themselves to the ground and scream.
40 percent of congressional Democrats voted against the bill. Why didn’t Obama try harder? Why didn’t he spend a few more days in DC, and more of his political capital, convincing his own party’s hold-outs to vote for the bill?
Barney Frank just owned the shit out of them, calling Boehner’s explanation an accusation he wouldn’t have thought to make. “Tell me the names of the 12, I’ll go speak uncharacteristically nicely to them.”
This makes no sense–Republicans should WANT Pelosi to make a partisan speech, so they could still vote for it without assuming joint-ownership.
By the way, the extent of Republican defecting on this might be a sign that Matt’s progressive bill dream might have a chance–presumably most of the Republicans who voted yes did so because they believe it’s necessary. Depends what the markets do, or whether payrolls don’t get met.
Chris Matthews just called the Republicans a bunch of ‘fragile flowers’ for using such a weak excuse as to why they couldn’t muster the support to get this bill passed.
Oh well, guess Democrats will have to craft a new bill that will put the taxpayers in a better position to leverage this bailout.
The interestignngstory is somehow a defense of the Republicans.
But adults (even some infants, as demonstrated by the consensus at the Corner) realize that one of two things is true: (1) it’s not a real crisis, or the bill won’t solve the ciris, in which case the Republic-devils should have never favored the compromise in the first place, or (2) it is a crisis, in which case voting against the bill for such a trivial reason is a horrificlly evil and dishonest act.
Mind you, sane poeple already realize that 99% of the Republican members of congress have fewer morals than the typical child molester, but you would think that even those devils would have the self awareness to avoid admitting that they were going to destroy the economy because Pelosi said some mean things (mind you, I don’t think that it WILL destroy the economy, but the Republi-devils apparently think it will).
It is wonderful to see that McCain, the guy who reaches across the aisle, can’t even keep the troops in order on HIS side of the aisle. What this tells me is that at least half of the GOP Reps have a lower estimation of John McCain than Bill Clinton does.
Is Ringo one of those parody artists, like Colbert? Because he has to know that McCain claimed credit for getting House Republican votes right before the bill failed, right?
This is a political environment where it is impossible for good people to have an honest difference of opinion because the Republicans are neither. “GOP, STFU” is the order of the day.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Boehner is used to crying on the floor of the House, so this is all in stride for his new car salesman faked tanned majesty.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Better call the waaaaaambulance.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Krugman was right when he quoted D-squared saying good ideas don’t need a phalanx of lies.
They said the sky would fall in if there was no bill last week. The sky didn’t fall in. They were caught making stupid lies about the content of their plan, the reason the plan was supposed to work was changing and was different in private than in public.
At that point, according to D-Squared, you throw it out and make your own assessment and strategy from scratch.
It was a bad idea and it’s good that it was killed. Let Obama pass a well considered bill much later.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
CNN just said re-reading the Pelosi speech, they can’t find anything partisan in it.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Bunch of whiners.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
I don’t know what she said on the floor, but I’d bet it has more to do with this:
“Most recently, Nancy Pelosi called House Republicans–the ones who were representing American taxpayers in negotiating the Democrats’ bailout bill–’unpatriotic.’”
Which actually led John Hinderaker–who has said Jimmy Carter is “objectively on the other side”–to say “That would be completely out of bounds in polite society.”
September 29th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
I’m going with the simplest explanation: House Republicans are really stupid.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Shades of Newt Gingrich and his temper tantrums.
Wingnuts are like the spoiled brats you see in a grocery store, Mommy doesn’t give that piece of candy and they throw themselves to the ground and scream.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Bold faced lies, widely-reported? Cui bono. Blame media monopolies.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Good think for him Republicans aren’t part of polite society.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
40 percent of congressional Democrats voted against the bill. Why didn’t Obama try harder? Why didn’t he spend a few more days in DC, and more of his political capital, convincing his own party’s hold-outs to vote for the bill?
Obama messed it up, dude.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
CNN is hardly an objective news source. They are in the tank for Obama. Can anyone say ‘Jack Cafferty’?
Do you really think Joe Sixpack, if he even watched CNN, won’t see through the pro-Obama charade?
September 29th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Barney Frank just owned the shit out of them, calling Boehner’s explanation an accusation he wouldn’t have thought to make. “Tell me the names of the 12, I’ll go speak uncharacteristically nicely to them.”
September 29th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
This makes no sense–Republicans should WANT Pelosi to make a partisan speech, so they could still vote for it without assuming joint-ownership.
By the way, the extent of Republican defecting on this might be a sign that Matt’s progressive bill dream might have a chance–presumably most of the Republicans who voted yes did so because they believe it’s necessary. Depends what the markets do, or whether payrolls don’t get met.
September 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Chris Matthews just called the Republicans a bunch of ‘fragile flowers’ for using such a weak excuse as to why they couldn’t muster the support to get this bill passed.
Oh well, guess Democrats will have to craft a new bill that will put the taxpayers in a better position to leverage this bailout.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
The interestignngstory is somehow a defense of the Republicans.
But adults (even some infants, as demonstrated by the consensus at the Corner) realize that one of two things is true: (1) it’s not a real crisis, or the bill won’t solve the ciris, in which case the Republic-devils should have never favored the compromise in the first place, or (2) it is a crisis, in which case voting against the bill for such a trivial reason is a horrificlly evil and dishonest act.
Mind you, sane poeple already realize that 99% of the Republican members of congress have fewer morals than the typical child molester, but you would think that even those devils would have the self awareness to avoid admitting that they were going to destroy the economy because Pelosi said some mean things (mind you, I don’t think that it WILL destroy the economy, but the Republi-devils apparently think it will).
September 29th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
It is wonderful to see that McCain, the guy who reaches across the aisle, can’t even keep the troops in order on HIS side of the aisle. What this tells me is that at least half of the GOP Reps have a lower estimation of John McCain than Bill Clinton does.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Hope you’re racking up some McCain points there Ringo, because your comments are depressingly stupid.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Apparently the Republicans aren’t just in favor of smaller government; they also favor a smaller economy.
September 29th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
It is wonderful to see that McCain, the guy who reaches across the aisle, can’t even keep the troops in order on HIS side of the aisle.
Conservatives don’t like McCain. They like Palin, b/c they are dumb.
I hope there is a crisis. It’ll be slow-mo, like the proverbial frog cooking in a pot.
It’s win-win. If there is one, it will make House GOP nutbags look even dumber than they do already. Like Hoover: “The fundamentals are strong!”
It will make so-called antiwar people who say there is no crisis – Bush is lying to us! Just like with Iraq, man! – look stupid.
If there isn’t one, it’s a win b/c there that would bad beyond belief.
September 29th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Is Ringo one of those parody artists, like Colbert? Because he has to know that McCain claimed credit for getting House Republican votes right before the bill failed, right?
September 29th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
This is a political environment where it is impossible for good people to have an honest difference of opinion because the Republicans are neither. “GOP, STFU” is the order of the day.
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