No Antichrist Here
Left Behind authors verify that, in their opinion, Barack Obama is not the anti-christ. Certainly good to know:
LaHaye and Jenkins take a literal interpretation of prophecies found in the Book of Revelation. They believe the antichrist will surface on the world stage at some point, but neither see Obama in that role. “I’ve gotten a lot of questions the last few weeks asking if Obama is the antichrist,” says novelist Jenkins. “I tell everyone that I don’t think the antichrist will come out of politics, especially American politics.”
Of course this should have been obvious since everyone knows that Left Behind’s anti-christ is Romanian. When you start hearing talk about change you can believe in coming from Bucharest, that’s when we’ll know that the apocalypse is nigh.
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August 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
I think it’s the pianist Radu Lupu. Thoughts?
August 16th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
ELAINE: What exactly was that kid?
KRAMER: Who, Damien? Nothing, just a mischievous, rambunctious kid.
August 16th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
This is my favorite part (if you click through to the article):
“I can see by the language he uses why people think he could be the antichrist,” adds LaHaye, “but from my reading of scripture, he doesn’t meet the criteria.”
Well, that’s a nice concession–Obama only sounds like the Antichrist, but he probably isn’t the actual Antichrist.
August 16th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
WHEW! That’s good news! I was sooo incredibly worried that I was supporting a candidate, whose election would ultimately result in the End Of Days. [/snark]
http://thepajamapundit.com/
August 16th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
“…don’t think the antichrist will come
out of politics…”
In other words, he doesn’t think the Antichrist (? capitalization) will be able to function effectively and do his job. So what’s to fret?
(David B.: come on, Lupu’s Schubert is none so bad.)
August 16th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
“LaHaye and Jenkins take a literal interpretation of prophecies found in the Book of Revelation.”
Do they have a cafeteria system of accepting the Old Testament? For example, what part of Leviticus do they avoid taking literally, and why?
August 16th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Do they have a cafeteria system of accepting the Old Testament? For example, what part of Leviticus do they avoid taking literally, and why?
From Acts 10:
9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
14″Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
15The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
16This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.
This sort of jumps out of nowhere but you get the general gist that if you want to be a prosthelytizing religion the diet and especially adult circumcision are going to be real hard sells…
August 16th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Note that they didn’t explicitly rule out Cuban-Jewish bloggers…
August 16th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
The Antichrist is in this group
August 16th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
He was the first Romanian I thought of. The antichrist is more likely Krystian Zimmerman on second thought.
August 16th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Jesus Christ, superstar
he’s got a furry beard
and a funny car
August 16th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
LaHaye and Jenkins take a literal interpretation of prophecies found in the Book of Revelation.
Anyone who’s ever so much as cracked the Book of Revelations knows this is bunk. Anyone wanting to know why in excruciating, but funny, detail should read Slactivist.
August 16th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Hah! Shows how much they know, that the Antichrist won’t come out of America.
I AM THE ANTICHRIST!
Well, I’m anti-Christ anyway. What’s a little difference in spelling? The original Bible was in Aramaic, which didn’t have any punctuation if I remember correctly. Kinda makes it hard to take all the varying translations seriously, if you see what I mean.
Besides, one likely result of radical Transhumanism is to exterminate religion - and probably exterminate the believers in those religions as well, since they are unlikely to go quietly or convert to rationality on their own. So they’re likely to try to kill us Transhumans - and unlike Star Trek or the Terminator movies, humans aren’t likely to win that one.
Between John Connor and Cameron, bet on Cameron (in Season Two, she’s trying to kill him!). Agent Ellison even brought up the Book of Revelations in episode seven - and got his ass kicked and lost an entire FBI SWAT Team in the last episode (which is why he’s getting kicked out of the FBI in Season Two.)
Between Picard and the Borg, bet on the Borg - they had Picard’s ass at one point, right?
As the Church of the SubGenius says in one of their stories, the Earth is a rented planet and the human race isn’t part of the lease. In fact, humans are the equivalent of household mildew. Humans think like bugs, says the SubGenius “Fightin’ Jesus”. Instead of “The Rapture”, Christians are going to get “The Rupture”. And it’s going to be painful.
August 16th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
RSH: Aramaic? You mean, the bits that aren’t in Hebrew and Greek, which accounts for 99.9% of the thing.
LaHaye’s a charlatan. Prophetic books are just a job creation scheme for charlatans.
August 16th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Off topic, sorry, but I have to ask David B. if there are any pianists whom he does NOT associate with universal damnation? Is it something about the instrument? If so, any particular manufacturer? Or is it the use of synthetic ivory?
August 16th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
RSHack & the SubGenius are not far from the truth with the mildew bit.
LaHay and Jenkins have mis-appropriated Revelations, called their Left Behind series historical fiction (yet speak as if their fiction is clairvoyant prophecy - with a forked tongue so to speak) and have made a fortune doing it.
Two words you will not find in John the Revelator’s letter to the seven churches: rapture and anti-christ. These two words are simply not there. LeHay and Jenkins should be cautious about what they are doing by adding these two words to the discussion, for John specifically warns the reader/listeners (Revelations was meant to be read aloud in worship) that there will be consequences:
“I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book; if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.” [Rev. 22: 18-19]
In some Christian circles, the whole Rapture phenomenon is considered a false doctrine which has been designed to create sensationalism and to instill fear in the people. It is based upon faulty/opportunistic scholarship which if traced back through Scofield’s commentary and Darby’s work will arrive in the bedroom of a 15 year old girl in Scotland in the early 1800’s. The girl had nightmares from reading the books of Daniel and Revelation, … and who wouldn’t. It has neo-Calvinist overtones in that there are some who will be saved from persecution/suffering while other “lesser” persons will have to endure the suffering the “better” Christians avoid by God’s magically spiriting them away.
This idea is contrary to the whole thrust of the Gospel message.
God does not promise us that we shall never experience suffering. God’s promise to us is to be with us in our suffering. And God has been with me in very dark times for which I shall be forever grateful.
For those who believe, Christ will return but that day and time is only known to “the Father” as Jesus himself has stated [Matt. 24:36; Mark 13:32]. We can no more know the full intent of the Creator any more than a lump of moist clay can know the intent of the potter.
Q: Why is it that alcoholics get sober in AA with only a Higher Power, essentially a God with no name?
A: God has broken through again in a powerful way to bring life without a price tag to those who suffer - grace.
The rest is faith and faith is rest.
Grace and peace be to you. More will be revealed.
August 17th, 2008 at 8:41 am
It’s really rather odd that a pair of conservatives like LaHaye and Jenkins would be so interested in the Apocalypse of St. John. Historically, the Apocalypse has been a troubling text for conservatives and an inspiring one for a variety of political and intellectual revolutions. Joachim of Fiore, Thomas Muentzer, Oliver Cromwell, and so many others.
August 17th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Hector,
The solution to your puzzle is that many self-decribed “conservatives” in the contemporary United States are actually radicals (meaning they are looking to fundamentally transform the nature of politics and society in the United States).
August 17th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
well, probably not Mitsuko Uchida.
Really, Eastern Europeans with funny beards go in for the treatment. Pianists are the only people I know who fit that category. That’s why Andras Schiff gets a pass.
August 17th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
pseudonymous in nc: There appear to be arguments over the original language, with most scholars believing the original texts were in Greek and Hebrew, and another group, called Aramaic primacy scholars, believing it was Aramaic.
Based on the Wikipedia description of the evidence for both sides, I’d say it’s unclear. Obviously, however, it’s a matter of significance, even though Aramaic is apparently very similar to Hebrew. The Aramaic primary folks seem to have a decent argument that several of the Bible’s well-known sayings - such as the “camel through the eye of a needle” - make more sense translated from Aramaic - where the phrase becomes “a rope through the eye of a needle”. There is also evidence that Aramaic was Jesus’ primary language, although it is likely he knew Hebrew and Greek as well.
Clearly, if they are correct, it could have an impact on how certain passages are interpreted.
In any event, my point was mostly a joke and not intended to be a scholarly comment.
September 29th, 2008 at 8:08 am
I am the antichrist.
-Keyser Soze
September 29th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Sing to the tune of “Carolina in the Mornin’”:
Nothin’ could be viler than to be in Crapolina
In the mor-or-or-nin’,
Susan Smith, Strom Thurmond,too,
The Citadel’s thugs a-marchin’ through,
How bo-or-or-in’.
Baptists Bible-thumpin’,
Their Ku Klux Klan out stumpin’
S—heads all around you,
Here’s what I’ll say once more,
What a whore, what a whor-or-or-e
Nothin’ could be viler than to be in SOUTH CRAPOLINA
In the mor-or-or-or-nin’.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Ha! The fools! Everyone knows the Anti-Christ is that guy on “Cash Cab”.
September 29th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
I’m an atheist with a Jewish father and southern Baptist mother. Can I please be the anti-Christ?
September 29th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
For a Mayor of a Ciy this is a ridiculous statement. It is totally impossible for Barack Obama to be THE ANTICHRIST. Antichrist means either “against christ.” or “instead of Christ.”
It is impossible for the Antichrist to be ONE MAN. He would have to be over 2000 years old, since the mystery of iniquity or the man of sin was being revealed in the first century. The bible tells you how to recognize this Antichrist in Daniel chapter 7 and Revelation chapter 13.
According to the bible he will be a Religious and Political leader.
The bible points to the PAPACY a succession of 265 Popes as being the Antichrist.
In Daniel Chapter 7
The “little horn” kingdom “came up among them” (the 10 horns which were kingdoms).
So the kingdom would be somewhere in Western Europe
A man at its head would speak for it (Daniel 7:8)
It would uproot three kingdoms (Daniel 7:8)
It would be different than the other 10 kingdoms (Daniel 7:24)
It would make war with or persecute the saints (Daniel 7: 21, 25)
It would emerge from the pagan Roman empire–the fourth world kingdom
(Daniel 7: 7,
God’s people would “be given into his hand” for “a time and times and the dividing
of time” (Daniel 7: 25)
It would blaspheme God (Daniel 7: 25). Revelation 13: 5 also says that the same power speaks “great things and blasphemies.”
It would “think to change times and laws” (Daniel 7: 25)
Both the Reformers of old and historians of today could tell you who this describes–the papacy.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Unfortunately, most of you people here have been sadly mislead.
Men like Tim LaHaye, Jerry Jenkins, and Hal Lindsey have you wrapped around their fingers.
Do you guys realize that you are absorbing the virus of Futurism that started with the Roman Jesuit Francisco Ribera as a result of the Council of Trent (the Counter Reformation) in 1545? He developed Futurism, which went into Maitland’s hands, then into Irvings, then into Daby’s, then Scofields, and then spiraled across the globe through best selling books like Left Behind.
Please don’t fall for this! Don’t fall for this terrible virus planted by non-other than the great arch-deciever himself! The Roman Church State is the Antichrist/Little Horn/Beast/Man of Sin/Son of Perdition! Nobody else! The Antichrist has been among the Christian world (that’s what the Bible teaches) for 1500 years!! 1260 years out of those 1500 years, the Papacy had complete control over Europe (verified by several Cardinals and Popes). Their power is slowly healing since Napoleon struck a blow on the Papal authority over Europe.
READ THIS: http://www.lmn.org/magazine/170/Jesuits.html
Click here: http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/broadcasts/streams/video/ THEN click the “Antichrist Chronicles” video, and watch the 12 part (30min. each) series!
YOU will be amazed!
This is the truth! The only TRUTH in understanding the identity of the Antichrist.
Do not open the virus in your computer! Futurism is the worst virus you can open! Preterism is the second worse virus you can open. Historicism is based on the Bible!
AMEN!
God bless you all as you study.
Marcos
February 5th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
I’m a late bloomer to the whole idea of the possibility of Obama being the AC. From the start though, I knew something was off. I felt in my gut that there is a force behind him that we know nothing about. At best a False Prophet. And once he won…..well.
As far as Lahaye and others who have studied the prophecies of the Bible…….I wonder if God refers to them as ‘the elect’ in the scriptures that speak of how the AC’s followers will be deceived. Just a thought!
In my opinion, his better answer should’ve been, “It’s too early to tell whether he is or isn’t.”
I laugh out loud when he states “it’s not going to be an American” Obama must have mailed Lahaye his birth cert or something. Either that or Lahaye wasn’t up to date on the major issues people were having with Obama during the election process.
Here’s a few FACTS to ponder & validate yourself:
Ill. Lottery numbers after the Dem. race ends with Obama as their man were….. Pick 3= 666 and Pick 4= 7779
Go to the state lottery website, click on numbers/jackpots, click on past winning numbers, pick 2008. It’s true. Nov. 5th.
Not to mention that his Chicago zipcode is 606060.
Secret Service code names picked by the Obama family: Renegade & Renaissance (rebirth of rebellion/lawlessness, anyone?)
Obama’s Presidential Limo is called The BEAST.
Numerous misquotes of the Christian scripture, yet he’s supposed to one.
His VERY quick rise to power in a short time, just as the AC.
He has and still is being referred to as ‘The Messiah’ just as the Bible states. (Just build him a temple and sit in it!)
Too many other coincidences to ignore in my opinion. Really only characteristics left of the AC that Obama has to fill can only be done while in power. So, we’ll see what he does.
But if he survives a ‘wounded’ head like the Bible states, you’ll be able to find me in the backyard digging myself a bunker.
Peace Out & God Bless!
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